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10-25-2023, 03:05 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

The point was in no way to compare anything to WKU. It was directed at the knuckleheads that are toting the Errr Raid water who were trying to make Hollingshead into a hero that would have helped lead MSU to 10 wins if only we had stuck with the system.

And now, they've tried to say that anybody against the Err Raid is a Barbay/Arnett apologist. Couldn't be further from the truth. They all suck. And I think most level headed people can see that we weren't going to win big even if we had stood pat. We would have lost Leach's playcalling regardless, we did nothing to improve the QB, RB, or WR positions from last year. If nothing else it would have been more of the same with a decidedly worse defense.

Could we have won 9 this year? Maybe, IF Leach was still the HC. But even if we had kept the same system, it would still have been a bunch of new coaches knocking their heads together and making a bunch of rookie mistakes.

Yeah, did nothing last year in recruiting... Parson, Creed, Justin Brown(transferred once the system changed in spring ball), Seth Davis.....those guys will probably all suck ***
Alos lost all the other backup QBs with the system change. Locke may have left anyway, but we did not help ourselves in changing the system.
10-25-2023, 03:19 PM
RockyDog

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Yeah, did nothing last year in recruiting... Parson, Creed, Justin Brown(transferred once the system changed in spring ball), Seth Davis.....those guys will probably all suck ***
Alos lost all the other backup QBs with the system change. Locke may have left anyway, but we did not help ourselves in changing the system.

Parson was not playing no matter who the coach is. Creed would have touched the ball less in Leach?s system because he doesn?t play RB.

I didn?t say one thing about any of them sucking, douchebag. I said we didn?t add anybody that was going to play over the returners we had coming back. Therefore, the Leach offense would have been mostly identical to last year. Same Will. Same Woody. Same underutilized WR group.

And don?t kid yourself thinking that the wonder freshmen were going to stay regardless and sit another season behind Rogers. The QB room was going to be the same as it is now except with a different guy besides Wright as the backup.
10-25-2023, 03:22 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I think a lot on here call them "garbage time" points so they don't count, lol!

Exactly!
10-25-2023, 07:15 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Did you take out the 6 extra TD's we had on defense and ST's last year? Ya know, since we have exclude some things as BlackSails does

Is there an equation for playing Georgia last year also? This year we got South Carolina, who has a very pourous defense
10-25-2023, 07:19 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

Parson was not playing no matter who the coach is. Creed would have touched the ball less in Leach?s system because he doesn?t play RB.

I didn?t say one thing about any of them sucking, douchebag. I said we didn?t add anybody that was going to play over the returners we had coming back. Therefore, the Leach offense would have been mostly identical to last year. Same Will. Same Woody. Same underutilized WR group.

And don?t kid yourself thinking that the wonder freshmen were going to stay regardless and sit another season behind Rogers. The QB room was going to be the same as it is now except with a different guy besides Wright as the backup.

Locke will be a 4 year starter at Wisconsin. We lost a talented QB. Creed would have played this year under Leach's system. Parson stayed with MSU and encouraged all other players to be the legacy of Coach Leach's last signing class. This may not be seen this year, but is a big impact next season and the next.
10-25-2023, 09:56 PM
preachermatt83

This post didn?t age well.
10-25-2023, 10:24 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

This post didn?t age well.

Did they win? Please tell me they won just for the entertainment purposes of this thread.
10-25-2023, 10:42 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Did they win? Please tell me they won just for the entertainment purposes of this thread.

They lost 42-29
10-25-2023, 11:17 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Did they win? Please tell me they won just for the entertainment purposes of this thread.

No. But clearly had very little to do with offensive output.
10-25-2023, 11:28 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

No. But clearly had very little to do with offensive output.

It was 28-10 to start the 4th quarter. 35-16 mid 4th quarter.
10-25-2023, 11:30 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

Parson was not playing no matter who the coach is. Creed would have touched the ball less in Leach?s system because he doesn?t play RB.

I didn?t say one thing about any of them sucking, douchebag. I said we didn?t add anybody that was going to play over the returners we had coming back. Therefore, the Leach offense would have been mostly identical to last year. Same Will. Same Woody. Same underutilized WR group.

And don?t kid yourself thinking that the wonder freshmen were going to stay regardless and sit another season behind Rogers. The QB room was going to be the same as it is now except with a different guy besides Wright as the backup.

We would have been much better at WR this year than last- add in a much more favorable schedule and I think our offense averages around 36 PPG on the season. Zavion, Robinson, and Creed would have been better utilized and would have made a huge difference. And no way Leach runs Woody 20+ times against people like SELU. I think Tulu would have broke out this year as well.
10-26-2023, 11:47 AM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Yeah, did nothing last year in recruiting... Parson, Creed, Justin Brown(transferred once the system changed in spring ball), Seth Davis.....those guys will probably all suck ***
Alos lost all the other backup QBs with the system change. Locke may have left anyway, but we did not help ourselves in changing the system.

While I think a few of them may turn out good, none of them has done anything yet. Notice what is missing? Where are the star LOS guys? I hope we have a few on D, not sure yet.
10-26-2023, 11:49 AM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

Parson was not playing no matter who the coach is. Creed would have touched the ball less in Leach?s system because he doesn?t play RB.

I didn?t say one thing about any of them sucking, douchebag. I said we didn?t add anybody that was going to play over the returners we had coming back. Therefore, the Leach offense would have been mostly identical to last year. Same Will. Same Woody. Same underutilized WR group.

And don?t kid yourself thinking that the wonder freshmen were going to stay regardless and sit another season behind Rogers. The QB room was going to be the same as it is now except with a different guy besides Wright as the backup.

Add to that we know Leach didn't play backups either to prepare for future or whatever so no impact this year.
10-26-2023, 01:14 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

This post didn?t age well.

aged very well. WK getting getting garbage points when they were clearly beat doesnt change that
10-26-2023, 01:18 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

aged very well. WK getting getting garbage points when they were clearly beat doesnt change that

We were told just weeks ago scoring 30 on usc and WR having his best career day was meaningless bc we lost.
10-26-2023, 01:34 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

We were told just weeks ago scoring 30 on usc and WR having his best career day was meaningless bc we lost.

hahahaha- yep
10-26-2023, 01:53 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

We were told just weeks ago scoring 30 on usc and WR having his best career day was meaningless bc we lost.

Yep, people using the same tired, old narratives.

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