Soooooo to recap the season so far

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We just burned 7 true freshmen red shirts. That's how smart this staff is.

RB Seth Davis, safety Isaac Smith, wide receiver Creed Whittemore, linebacker Zakari Tillman, tight end Malik Ellis, and specialists Kyle Ferrie and Keelan Crimmins.

Ellis is an OT that he is forcing into a TE roll just to able run this scheme.

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So, 2 are ST guys. The other five minus Ellis, should be playing.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I just don't believe we will pay out 9 million after roughly 11 months on the job.

I still think the season starts in 19 days when we play in Fayetteville. Arkansas fans are ready to fire Pittman. If they don't rally the troops and beat the bears this weekend, they will be on a 5 game-losing streak after going to Tuscaloosa.

There will not be a better time to play Arkansas. Then we get Auburn on the road, Kentucky at home and A&M on the road. We have to go at least 2-2 in that stretch. That is still extremely doable.

I think we will be favored against Arkansas and probably a pickem against AU and UK and probably a 7-10 point dog against A&M if they continue to play defense the way they have been.

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We won't because it's not $9MM. It's less. Probably closer to $7MM and that's what we should be paying for a good damn coach anyway. But we are Mississippi State, so you're probably right.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

So, 2 are ST guys. The other five minus Ellis, should be playing.

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I agree with some of them. The Kicker. etc.

Not Ellis and not Smith.

At this point, we need freshman playing so that they can be ready for next year.

Ellis is not an SEC OT. At least not now and not next year.

I think Whttemore, Tillman, Davis and Smith should be playing more. We will need them next year.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We won't because it's not $9MM. It's less. Probably closer to $7MM and that's what we should be paying for a good damn coach anyway. But we are Mississippi State, so you're probably right.

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Bookmark these topics...we can just pick back up next year where we leave off this year. He will be back. He ain't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I just don't believe we will pay out 9 million after roughly 11 months on the job.

I still think the season starts in 19 days when we play in Fayetteville. Arkansas fans are ready to fire Pittman. If they don't rally the troops and beat the bears this weekend, they will be on a 5 game-losing streak after going to Tuscaloosa.

There will not be a better time to play Arkansas. Then we get Auburn on the road, Kentucky at home and A&M on the road. We have to go at least 2-2 in that stretch. That is still extremely doable.

I think we will be favored against Arkansas and probably a pickem against AU and UK and probably a 7-10 point dog against A&M if they continue to play defense the way they have been.

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Beat some of these teams? Have you watched our D and read the stats we are giving up in pass% and yards? Add in virtually no pressure/sacks on QB, but LB's lead the league in tackles made 6 to 8 yards downfield ( stats we love kind of like WR short pass completions*). This along with around hole/square peg Offense and an incompetent staff give me little hope of an SEC win. BTW I was for the hire at the time and predicted 7 win floor and 9 win ceiling. Looks like 4 floor and 5 ceiling now with an SEC upset that might cost Pittman his job. What a lack on ROI for a pitiful 2023 season and beyond if this comes to pass. H*ll State? We are better than this!

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

I agree with some of them. The Kicker. etc.

Not Ellis and not Smith.

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Issac was always playing as a true freshman. He was good enough to make the 2 deep and didn't want to redshirt.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

At this point, we need freshman playing so that they can be ready for next year.

Ellis is not an SEC OT. At least not now and not next year.

I think Whttemore, Tillman, Davis and Smith should be playing more. We will need them next year.

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If you don't think other team$ will be going after any young talent (or the few talented vets remaining), we have if we go 4-8 with this rookie coaching disaster into a big rebuilding and possible bad record 2024 again, I don't know what to say. This looks like Croom or JoMo and waiting another year if we finish 4-8 will make little difference and apathy, which has already begun at home games will grow quickly.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Beat some of these teams? Have you watched our D and read the stats we are giving up in pass% and yards? Add in virtually no pressure/sacks on QB, but LB's lead the league in tackles made 6 to 8 yards downfield ( stats we love kind of like WR short pass completions). This along with around hole/square peg Offense and an incompetent staff give me little hope of an SEC win. BTW I was for the hire at the time and predicted 7 win floor and 9 win ceiling. Looks like 4 floor and 5 ceiling now with an SEC upset that might cost Pittman his job. What a lack on ROI for a pitiful 2023 season and beyond if this comes to pass. H*ll State? We are better than this!

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I'm not saying we are a good team. We are not, but neither is Upig or AU. A&M has flaws. Hell right now, Kentucky may be the best of the bunch, but we get them at home and we seem to always find a way to beat UK at home.

Look, as bad as we have looked, this past saturday should have been a 10 point game. Instead the pick 6 and pick right before the half were just killers.

I've been a Will defender on here and even I can't defend his play this past Saturday. He killed us. This offense just isn't for him. We are still running read option plays with him. Makes zero sense.

We are clearly going to run this offense and Will doesn't fit it and we need to make a change. It should happen this weekend. We should put Mike in, play him a bunch and then use the bye week to get him more reps with the starters. IT gives us the best chance the rest of the season. If I was a fan of another SEC school, the last thing I would want to happen is for MSU to make a QB switch.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

At this point, we need freshman playing so that they can be ready for next year.

Ellis is not an SEC OT. At least not now and not next year.

I think Whttemore, Tillman, Davis and Smith should be playing more. We will need them next year.

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I certainly hope we redshirt Ellis next year.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Beat some of these teams? Have you watched our D and read the stats we are giving up in pass% and yards? Add in virtually no pressure/sacks on QB, but LB's lead the league in tackles made 6 to 8 yards downfield ( stats we love kind of like WR short pass completions*). This along with around hole/square peg Offense and an incompetent staff give me little hope of an SEC win. BTW I was for the hire at the time and predicted 7 win floor and 9 win ceiling. Looks like 4 floor and 5 ceiling now with an SEC upset that might cost Pittman his job. What a lack on ROI for a pitiful 2023 season and beyond if this comes to pass. H*ll State? We are better than this!

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We are 5th in the league in sacks per game in conference games. We are getting home fine but we don't pressure well enough overall.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I'm not saying we are a good team. We are not, but neither is Upig or AU. A&M has flaws. Hell right now, Kentucky may be the best of the bunch, but we get them at home and we seem to always find a way to beat UK at home.

Look, as bad as we have looked, this past saturday should have been a 10 point game. Instead the pick 6 and pick right before the half were just killers.

I've been a Will defender on here and even I can't defend his play this past Saturday. He killed us. This offense just isn't for him. We are still running read option plays with him. Makes zero sense.

We are clearly going to run this offense and Will doesn't fit it and we need to make a change. It should happen this weekend. We should put Mike in, play him a bunch and then use the bye week to get him more reps with the starters. IT gives us the best chance the rest of the season. If I was a fan of another SEC school, the last thing I would want to happen is for MSU to make a QB switch.

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And this offensive line isn't for this system either. Nor is the TE room.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And this offensive line isn't for this system either. Nor is the TE room.

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BS. OL is getting better and better. Our TB's went for 6 ypc vs Bama. That's strong and shows their improvement

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We won't because it's not $9MM. It's less. Probably closer to $7MM and that's what we should be paying for a good damn coach anyway. But we are Mississippi State, so you're probably right.

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Mississippi State University - The Dollar General of the SEC

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

His arm strength? Yeah he didn't throw bombs against USC last weekend at all! He did not step up in the pocket and take a hit while throwing a TD either. He did not rush for a first down vs bama on 3rd and 11.

The fact is the scheme is the issue.

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So what you're saying besides scheme is he has good arm strength, good pocket presence and mobility?

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I'm not saying we are a good team. We are not, but neither is Upig or AU. A&M has flaws. Hell right now, Kentucky may be the best of the bunch, but we get them at home and we seem to always find a way to beat UK at home.

Look, as bad as we have looked, this past saturday should have been a 10 point game. Instead the pick 6 and pick right before the half were just killers.

I've been a Will defender on here and even I can't defend his play this past Saturday. He killed us. This offense just isn't for him. We are still running read option plays with him. Makes zero sense.

We are clearly going to run this offense and Will doesn't fit it and we need to make a change. It should happen this weekend. We should put Mike in, play him a bunch and then use the bye week to get him more reps with the starters. IT gives us the best chance the rest of the season. If I was a fan of another SEC school, the last thing I would want to happen is for MSU to make a QB switch.

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Agree with giving Wright many reps this Saturday and bad fit of WR in this O. There is another elephant in the room. Every SEC team left on on schedule sees us as a win and a chance to correct their issues ala probably even Arky at that time. Another win over aTm might even cost Jimbo his job (Buyout down to a measly $77 mil). Will be tough to beat the Rev at AU although they have their own issues. KY looks like the real deal to date. OM's O will destroy our back 7 or 8. I just can't see a SEC win at this point, barring a gigantic change from the staff & players.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

andddddddd there we go. Between this and the Airbone Cult- this is what is driving most of the angst

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You think people are angry because they bet the season total and will lose? You think that's a driving force of the anger? Dude. People are angry because we suck. 99% of us didn't bet the season win total.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You think people are angry because they bet the season total and will lose? You think that's a driving force of the anger? Dude. People are angry because we suck. 99% of us didn't bet the season win total.

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To quote the Maroon faced dude on the Dr. Pepper commercials: "I bought into the preseason hype...AGAIN!"

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

His arm strength? Yeah he didn't throw bombs against USC last weekend at all! He did not step up in the pocket and take a hit while throwing a TD either. He did not rush for a first down vs bama on 3rd and 11.

The fact is the scheme is the issue.

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He has the weakest arm in the conference. He has positive attributes, but arm strength is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Our FPI ranking is currently #45. In the last decade, we've only been worse than that twice. (And only barely - #51 in 2016 and #52 in 2020.) There's still time for it to get better, but also time for it to get worse. We are clearly in worse shape than we all expected to be, and that's a huge red flag.

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Interesting. I will say 16 was a strange year. We screwed with QB against USA and lost due to not playing the right guy - Fitz. At the end of 16, we were doing OK. Hammer OM with Fitz and Atrain. That D was terrible but it wasn't talent. We had some dudes on that team although some of it still young - 17 and 18 proved that out. I don't think we are as good on O or D as 16 right now but we can still find a few wins to make 6, I'll take that right now.