Wyatt film study

This board seems to be on drugs

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Originally Posted by KB21

Paul Johnson is credited with this quote: "If you are going to run something, you better know how to fix it when it breaks."

I think we are looking at that situation at Mississippi State. Everyone got excited with all the talk about "we are going to find our best 11 players and build a scheme around them", and in reality, no coach goes into a situation like this and builds a scheme from scratch. You have to have a system, and the coach has to know that system inside an out. He needs to know how to solve the problems that will turn up against that particular scheme.

With Zach Arnett, he's been running the Rocky Long 3-3-5 scheme long enough that he should know what the solutions to the problems are. Matt Brock has only been in this scheme for three years and has never run it. At some point, Zach is probably going to have to interject a little more than he wants to if this defense is to improve.

Offensively, we are looking at a different story. Kevin Barbay came up in Jim McElwain's scheme and a few other schemes that are nothing like what he is currently trying to run at Mississippi State. He spent one year at App State and realized "Hey, this is a pretty good scheme". Now, he's trying to run that scheme at Mississippi State. He's not versed in it enough to know all the solutions to the problems. He may get there at some point, but he's clearly not there yet. He doesn't seem to know how to connect everything together in this scheme yet.

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

Seems like Barbay had some pretty good solutions. This year Will has thrown for his highest QBR against an FBS opponent by far and just in this game had his most passing yards ever (FBS or FCS). That's in what you call a "RTGDFB" offense.

Seems like you and a lot of people are over reacting. For his scheme to work he wants a TE, the guy we got was ruled ineligible and the other guy would be lucky to start at Delta State. Barbay has changed and tweaked a lot of things after failing the previous week. Maybe the guy is trying to get the 11 best for the installed scheme on the field. We just put up 30 on the road and y'all are trying to tar and feather the dude.

2020 - 2 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
44 @LSU (Thanks Bo for running man D the entire game lol)
51 home against a garbage Mizzou team (24 against Vandy at home btw)

2021 - 3 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
45 @ Vandy
43 @ Aub
31 vs KY

2022 - 3 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
42 vs TX am
40 vs Arky
39 vs Aub

So in 2 SEC games, Barbay has done once what Leach did 3 times in 26. We missed some opportunities against an improved AZ team and everyone on the team sucked vs LSU, but we didn't lose to Memphis or almost lose to LA Tech. Let's keep on crucifying him though.

ETA: Just goes to show KB12 and BlackSailsDawg only care about running the Airbone and not winning. When Leach's offense was awful they blamed it on our D which was by any advanced analytics much better than the offense. Now that the D is worse than the offense they want to call out the OC because it's not the scheme they want. The 2 best offensive schemes in football right now are running a wide zone almost 50/50 run pass ratio using the scheme we're trying to implement. This is far from bone head run up the middle JV football.

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Perspective to these stats:
- If this offense this year puts up over 30 points on Arky, Aggie, and Auburn, this season then we can say it is successful, and we will all be happy.
- Arizona gave us short field with several turnovers in the first half, otherwise we could not do much of anything. We looked bad.
- LSU - we looked really bad.
The reason some are realizing the Air Raid is good for MSU is the wide splits, and that it equalizes talent gaps.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Paul Johnson is credited with this quote: "If you are going to run something, you better know how to fix it when it breaks."

I think we are looking at that situation at Mississippi State. Everyone got excited with all the talk about "we are going to find our best 11 players and build a scheme around them", and in reality, no coach goes into a situation like this and builds a scheme from scratch. You have to have a system, and the coach has to know that system inside an out. He needs to know how to solve the problems that will turn up against that particular scheme.

With Zach Arnett, he's been running the Rocky Long 3-3-5 scheme long enough that he should know what the solutions to the problems are. Matt Brock has only been in this scheme for three years and has never run it. At some point, Zach is probably going to have to interject a little more than he wants to if this defense is to improve.

Offensively, we are looking at a different story. Kevin Barbay came up in Jim McElwain's scheme and a few other schemes that are nothing like what he is currently trying to run at Mississippi State. He spent one year at App State and realized "Hey, this is a pretty good scheme". Now, he's trying to run that scheme at Mississippi State. He's not versed in it enough to know all the solutions to the problems. He may get there at some point, but he's clearly not there yet. He doesn't seem to know how to connect everything together in this scheme yet.

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Which circles back to what I've said to friends. We hired a staff that's literally learning on the job. That's a 1980's State move.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This board seems to be on drugs

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Which circles back to what I've said to friends. We hired a staff that's literally learning on the job. That's a 1980's State move.

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It is right up there with hiring a baseball coach as AD when there were tons of viable candidates.

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

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I'm not consenting to a urine test.

I just think will telling the coaches what he's gonna run and BP pulling all the strings behind the scenes is pretty out there

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We lost by 7 points after being tied thru 3 Q's and scored 30 Saturday.

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I think I get it now. You're in tight with the new coaches on the staff or something similar.

Cause if this was Leach you'd be ready to fire him. If it was Mullen you'd be raising all kinds of hell.

But for some reason ... cut this staff some slack cause they're trying hard 🤔🤔

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not consenting to a urine test.

I just think will telling the coaches what he's gonna run and BP pulling all the strings behind the scenes is pretty out there

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Barbay is on record saying he went to Will to get ideas. So no, I'm not on drugs tonight. Peterson stuff is weird but whatever. All these college guys and we're dragging a HS coach into the field. How many SEC coaches have HS coaches advising them. I'll hang up and wait. His ass needs to be handling camps and recruiting, nothing more.
#AmatuerHour

Don't believe for a second that 2 is somehow running things and keeping Barbay on track or something.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Barbay is on record saying he went to Will to get ideas. So no, I'm not on drugs tonight. Peterson stuff is weird but whatever. All these college guys and we're dragging a HS coach into the field. How many SEC coaches have HS coaches advising them. I'll hang up and wait. His ass needs to be handling camps and recruiting, nothing more.
#AmatuerHour

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Asking a qb what he feels comfortable running isn't the same as will telling our coaches what we're gonna run.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Asking a qb what he feels comfortable running isn't the same as will telling our coaches what we're gonna run.

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It's 4 damn games in. He didn't do his damn job. He saw the film and thought "let's pound the damn rock"? Come on now. We've got a bad staff on the sidelines to this point. They need to get it going. We've go about 4 guys over there that are good at their jobs. The rest is amateur hour. Go win this week and shut my mouth. I'm begging!

I take less issue with the fact that a large portion of this staff is getting OJT and more issue with how it was constructed. We didn?t hire anyone that can help give us a schematic advantage. We hired coaches who are friends with either Brad, Zach, and possibly some alumni boosters.

And then when they finally hired the OC, I don?t believe any critical thinking went into that process.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

It's 4 damn games in. He didn't do his damn job. He saw the film and thought "let's pound the damn rock"? Come on now. We've got a bad staff on the sidelines to this point. They need to get it going. We've go about 4 guys over there that are good at their jobs. The rest is amateur hour. Go win this week and shut my mouth. I'm begging!

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No one is saying this staff is doing well. I am saying will isn't our OC.

Our problem is defense way more than offense

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Originally Posted by KB21

I take less issue with the fact that a large portion of this staff is getting OJT and more issue with how it was constructed. We didn?t hire anyone that can help give us a schematic advantage. We hired coaches who are friends with either Brad, Zach, and possibly some alumni boosters.

And then when they finally hired the OC, I don?t believe any critical thinking went into that process.

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Disagree. We've got a few good ones.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Our problem is defense way more than offense

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And our main issue is we have a defense full of 4.8 40s on the back 8

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

Seems like Barbay had some pretty good solutions. This year Will has thrown for his highest QBR against an FBS opponent by far and just in this game had his most passing yards ever (FBS or FCS). That's in what you call a "RTGDFB" offense.

Seems like you and a lot of people are over reacting. For his scheme to work he wants a TE, the guy we got was ruled ineligible and the other guy would be lucky to start at Delta State. Barbay has changed and tweaked a lot of things after failing the previous week. Maybe the guy is trying to get the 11 best for the installed scheme on the field. We just put up 30 on the road and y'all are trying to tar and feather the dude.

2020 - 2 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
44 @LSU (Thanks Bo for running man D the entire game lol)
51 home against a garbage Mizzou team (24 against Vandy at home btw)

2021 - 3 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
45 @ Vandy
43 @ Aub
31 vs KY

2022 - 3 games over 30 PTs against SEC D:
42 vs TX am
40 vs Arky
39 vs Aub

So in 2 SEC games, Barbay has done once what Leach did 3 times in 26. We missed some opportunities against an improved AZ team and everyone on the team sucked vs LSU, but we didn't lose to Memphis or almost lose to LA Tech. Let's keep on crucifying him though.

ETA: Just goes to show KB12 and BlackSailsDawg only care about running the Airbone and not winning. When Leach's offense was awful they blamed it on our D which was by any advanced analytics much better than the offense. Now that the D is worse than the offense they want to call out the OC because it's not the scheme they want. The 2 best offensive schemes in football right now are running a wide zone almost 50/50 run pass ratio using the scheme we're trying to implement. This is far from bone head run up the middle JV football.

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The only people over reacting are the ones that think our offense is fixed because we played well against the only defense in the SEC worse than ours.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Asking a qb what he feels comfortable running isn't the same as will telling our coaches what we're gonna run.

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Not sure where you get people are saying Rogers is telling our coaches what we are running. The thread on that clearly stated that the OC went to Rogers and they talked about it. The results were AR concepts ran against USCe...etc.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Not sure where you get people are saying Rogers is telling our coaches what we are running. The thread on that clearly stated that the OC went to Rogers and they talked about it. The results were AR concepts ran against USCe...etc.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

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So 1 person put it that way.