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09-23-2023, 12:49 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I'm sorry but this is BS. App state didn't have trouble with the terminology. We have a senior QB that has never had to read defenses. Mike ran what he ran regardless of the defense.

Rogers has always had to read defenses. Once the play was called by Leach it was up to Rogers to change it based on what he saw.

No matter how you look at it, our coaching is very bad!
09-23-2023, 12:51 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Its hilarious that somebody would say I am just making an excuse for one player on the team but then they turn around and use it as an excuse to blame him.

If you think I care enough to come on here and make up stuff you couldnt be more wrong. It is what it is. Just because you dont like it and are blinded by your obsession of hating one kid for all of your life?s problems, doesnt mean it?s not true.

Anyone on here who knows anything will stand by it if you dont believe me. Difference is, I could care less if you do or dont

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BuckyIsAB**** again.
09-23-2023, 01:05 AM
hailstate88

I?d Arnett isn?t back we don?t have a shit stain chance at anything
09-23-2023, 09:24 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Tater

You always quote and respond to people making a meh / easy to beat take in the same thread as someone else making a valid and great point against you.

Nut up or run away. Don't half ass something. **** up full speed or don't **** up.

I dont see any valid or great points. Im sorry my message board habits upset you
09-23-2023, 09:33 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I'm sorry but this is BS. App state didn't have trouble with the terminology. We have a senior QB that has never had to read defenses. Mike ran what he ran regardless of the defense.

Barbay had a lot more oversight at App State and they had been running a similar scheme for years.
09-23-2023, 09:36 AM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I dont see any valid or great points. Im sorry my message board habits upset you

Receivers are missing routes, OL is missing assignments and not holding blocks, RBs can't block. It's bad all around, but the vet qb needs the ball out of his hands quicker to build confidence. The entire offense is off balance. Will needs to play more inspired football. If he doesn't put the offense on his back then no one will get better.
09-23-2023, 09:58 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Receivers are missing routes, OL is missing assignments and not holding blocks, RBs can't block. It's bad all around, but the vet qb needs the ball out of his hands quicker to build confidence. The entire offense is off balance. Will needs to play more inspired football. If he doesn't put the offense on his back then no one will get better.

Then the OC needs to call faster developing plays. Stop the 12 personnel. use more wrs because that's where our talent is. Put Thomas, Creed in there more along with Mosely. Not an true freshman OT at TE.

We allowed 1 sack last year in 24 attempts. We are allowing 1 in every 10 now.
09-23-2023, 11:05 AM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Barbay had a lot more oversight at App State and they had been running a similar scheme for years.

This is true. Their offense looks the same without Barbay.
09-23-2023, 11:12 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

This is true. Their offense looks the same without Barbay.

So he's not the master mind!

Great!
09-23-2023, 12:50 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Then the OC needs to call faster developing plays. Stop the 12 personnel. use more wrs because that's where our talent is. Put Thomas, Creed in there more along with Mosely. Not an true freshman OT at TE.

We allowed 1 sack last year in 24 attempts. We are allowing 1 in every 10 now.

Agree.
Dang Creed, Tulu, Thomas, Robinson, Walley, in an Air Raid with just some running plays to keep it honest. Add future more mobile QBs to run basically 6 yards on any play.
09-23-2023, 01:03 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Yeah, this thread seems like a bit of misdirection... Same check downs we've seen for the last 3 years, only this year we can't even seem to complete a screen pass.

Players have had months and countless reps to get the offense down. Topic should have been brought up prior to the season if it were an issue. Only comes out when QB1 is playing like he should be replaced.

@ Bucky here's one you ignored. Amongst several others across other threads.

Point kinda stands, you're blinded by bias and literally refuse to see where Will has a large share of blame too.

Great players succeed in any system.

Good players make the most of bad systems.

System players can only survive in their specific system or they flounder.
09-23-2023, 01:12 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Agree.
Dang Creed, Tulu, Thomas, Robinson, Walley, in an Air Raid with just some running plays to keep it honest. Add future more mobile QBs to run basically 6 yards on any play.

I mean our new ground game is fine. So let's blend the 2 and come up with something new!
09-23-2023, 01:17 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Tater

@ Bucky here's one you ignored. Amongst several others across other threads.

Point kinda stands, you're blinded by bias and literally refuse to see where Will has a large share of blame too.

Great players succeed in any system.

Good players make the most of bad systems.

System players can only survive in their specific system or they flounder.

No they don't. That's so not true at most positions in football. The success of the RB depends on an OL capable of blocking. They don't do well and that RB is NOT going to succeed. A QB's success relies on several major factors. Pass protection (we went from 1 sack out of 24 Attempts to 1 in 10), WRs and TEs running the proper route, and them making a catch.

You are putting all things equal, and it's not. Now if all things were equal and the OL was blocking and the WRs understood the route, we would not be having a conversation at all. This system is broken because we hired a guy who said some right things to Arnett and not based on his ability. That's evident in his install of this offense with a vet team who is scratching their heads wonder what they are suppose to be doing.
09-23-2023, 01:47 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No they don't. That's so not true at most positions in football. The success of the RB depends on an OL capable of blocking. They don't do well and that RB is NOT going to succeed. A QB's success relies on several major factors. Pass protection (we went from 1 sack out of 24 Attempts to 1 in 10), WRs and TEs running the proper route, and them making a catch.

You are putting all things equal, and it's not. Now if all things were equal and the OL was blocking and the WRs understood the route, we would not be having a conversation at all. This system is broken because we hired a guy who said some right things to Arnett and not based on his ability. That's evident in his install of this offense with a vet team who is scratching their heads wonder what they are suppose to be doing.

That’s a load of crock and you know it. It has been said by everyone who watches football and knows football that if a team is bad it is on the QB to raise the bar of the play on the field.
09-23-2023, 01:56 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

That’s a load of crock and you know it. It has been said by everyone who watches football and knows football that if a team is bad it is on the QB to raise the bar of the play on the field.

Yeah and they say all we need is a mobile QB that can make yards when he is flushed. I'm currently watching 2 mobile QBs for Auburn take 6 sacks so far.
09-23-2023, 02:31 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah and they say all we need is a mobile QB that can make yards when he is flushed. I'm currently watching 2 mobile QBs for Auburn take 6 sacks so far.

Thorne is not really mobile, much less close to Wright in dual threat category.
09-23-2023, 02:37 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Thorne is not really mobile, much less close to Wright in dual threat category.

Robby Ashford is faster than Wright and how many sacks did he take? When the OL is trash, no matter who you put back there, the results will be similar.
09-23-2023, 02:42 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

This is true. Their offense looks the same without Barbay.

Yep. And it was one of my huge concerns with hiring Barbay. App State's coach used to be the Co-OC there and had been involved for years there on offense across multiple coaching staffs. Barbay was under McElwain before that and I have no doubt McElwain was involved in the offense at CMU as well.
09-23-2023, 02:56 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah and they say all we need is a mobile QB that can make yards when he is flushed. I'm currently watching 2 mobile QBs for Auburn take 6 sacks so far.

Yeah not all players and systems are the same. But what does this have to do with my point that it is on the QB to raise the standard. You are deflecting.
09-23-2023, 02:57 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yep. And it was one of my huge concerns with hiring Barbay. App State's coach used to be the Co-OC there and had been involved for years there on offense across multiple coaching staffs. Barbay was under McElwain before that and I have no doubt McElwain was involved in the offense at CMU as well.

Thee as t is really problematic and concerning

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