On WRs not being where they should be

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09-21-2023, 12:20 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Just in case anyone was wondering about the locker room, Justin Robinson’s dad just posted on Genespage that if Will Rogers starts Saturday that Arnett is going to lose the locker room.

I know a lot of parents are upset and rightfully so. When I see us running one WR past the first down marker blaming Will might be a little misplaced IMO.
09-21-2023, 08:44 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I know a lot of parents are upset and rightfully so. When I see us running one WR past the first down marker blaming Will might be a little misplaced IMO.

I hope it happens, simply because I'm curious as to what all the Mike Wright nut huggers are going to say when his passes are far less accurate than Will's have been. Will's accuracy issues this year has more to do with him not being on the same page as his receivers than anything else. Mike Wright simply isn't and never will be an accurate passer.
09-21-2023, 09:01 AM
Tripp McNeely

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Originally Posted by KB21

I hope it happens, simply because I'm curious as to what all the Mike Wright nut huggers are going to say when his passes are far less accurate than Will's have been. Will's accuracy issues this year has more to do with him not being on the same page as his receivers than anything else. Mike Wright simply isn't and never will be an accurate passer.

I don't think even the most staunch Wright supporters are going to argue that. Most of us clamoring for Wright to start...our main argument is that we're going to give up 5-10% in the completion percentage department, but his mobility versus Will's will outweigh that loss in accuracy
09-21-2023, 09:15 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

I don't think even the most staunch Wright supporters are going to argue that. Most of us clamoring for Wright to start...our main argument is that we're going to give up 5-10% in the completion percentage department, but his mobility versus Will's will outweigh that loss in accuracy

So, running the ball 90% of the time with Wright in the game is better than seeing if Rogers will get on the same page with his receivers?
09-21-2023, 09:27 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, running the ball 90% of the time with Wright in the game is better than seeing if Rogers will get on the same page with his receivers?

In a rare instance I agree. If this team is going to maximize their potential, Rogers has to play and play much better. Our line has to get better( no matter the QB) and our wr need to get on same page. If wright is the QB we will be looking at an 8 man box every play and we will run it 85% of the time. That is not a recipe for success.
09-21-2023, 09:36 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

In a rare instance I agree. If this team is going to maximize their potential, Rogers has to play and play much better. Our line has to get better( no matter the QB) and our wr need to get on same page. If wright is the QB we will be looking at an 8 man box every play and we will run it 85% of the time. That is not a recipe for success.

It's not just Rogers. It's the OL and the WRs running routes to the wrong spots.
09-21-2023, 09:49 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

It's not just Rogers. It's the OL and the WRs running routes to the wrong spots.

Did you even read what I said???? Clearly not.
09-21-2023, 09:53 AM
memsu06

After watching Matt Wyatt break it down. Will isn't really to blame other than him being a slow runner. OL blocking was horrible and receivers not running right routes.

We need quick hitting plays on offense because there's no time to wait for a big play to develop.
09-21-2023, 10:02 AM
Tripp McNeely

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, running the ball 90% of the time with Wright in the game is better than seeing if Rogers will get on the same page with his receivers?

See, this is why you annoy the hell out of people... "90%" is completely unrealistic and the example a 10-year-old would use when he's trying to "prove his point"...60-65% (on the high-end)...yes it would be better
09-21-2023, 10:02 AM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

In a rare instance I agree. If this team is going to maximize their potential, Rogers has to play and play much better. Our line has to get better( no matter the QB) and our wr need to get on same page. If wright is the QB we will be looking at an 8 man box every play and we will run it 85% of the time. That is not a recipe for success.

If our coaches put their heads in the sand then yes. But if they actually build a game plan around Wright’s strengths then we could better pretty dangerous. The issue there is if they can build that game plan than why not build one that suits Rogers better than this current plan.
09-21-2023, 10:10 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by KB21

I hope it happens, simply because I'm curious as to what all the Mike Wright nut huggers are going to say when his passes are far less accurate than Will's have been. Will's accuracy issues this year has more to do with him not being on the same page as his receivers than anything else. Mike Wright simply isn't and never will be an accurate passer.

I agree with others that have said it's not going to make much of a difference really because our o-line can't block well and changing isn't going to get our receivers on the same page. Odds are the scramble/rushing trade off for Will's accuracy is going to be very minimal at best.

Mike Wright isn't Johnny Manziel. Barbay doesn't seem to know what to do with Wright anyway. He has him mostly handing off and he's only thrown one pass. His useage is like most things with Barbay has been head scratching.
09-21-2023, 10:10 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

If our coaches put their heads in the sand then yes. But if they actually build a game plan around Wright’s strengths then we could better pretty dangerous. The issue there is if they can build that game plan than why not build one that suits Rogers better than this current plan.

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.
09-21-2023, 10:21 AM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and
let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

Agreed! It doesn’t seem like rocket science. Hopefully it isn’t and the coaches see this as well.
09-21-2023, 10:23 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

LOL! Mike can't even throw accurately enough to consistently do that.
09-21-2023, 10:37 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

See, this is why you annoy the hell out of people... "90%" is completely unrealistic and the example a 10-year-old would use when he's trying to "prove his point"...60-65% (on the high-end)...yes it would be better

No it would not... and btw... we ran it 70% against AZ.

Wright is not the answer because the OL in this scheme can not block. No matter who you put back there, the slow developing passing routes would keep what QB you have back there on his back.
09-21-2023, 10:40 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No it would not... and btw... we ran it 70% against AZ.

Wright is not the answer because the OL in this scheme can not block. No matter who you put back there, the slow developing passing routes would keep what QB you have back there on his back.

Take a wild guess on who the QB in the NFL is that takes a sack on the highest percentage of his drop back attempts is.
09-21-2023, 10:41 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Wright at QB could open up Tulu in the slot. An extra hat in the box to account for Wright running. If Mike can hit an open Tulu on a slant, it's off to the races. Will needs quick throws for 5 or 6 yards. The OL can't give him enough time for slow developing plays. Let Will feast on the short passing game and let Marks make some solid runs. Then as the game progresses let Will try for some deeper throws.

Nobody is going to put an extras hat "in there" just for Wright. It's not opening anything up because that's not the issue. The issue is clearly explained by Pate, Wyatt...etc. This OL can not block in this scheme. They are clueless.

We are friggin playing a OT at TE. About to burn his redshirt. Does that make any sense yo you? Any at all? That's not his position and he isn't going out for a pass and he isn;t blocking.

So why the HELL would you keep doing that as a STAFF!
09-21-2023, 10:42 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Take a wild guess on who the QB in the NFL is that takes a sack on the highest percentage of his drop back attempts is.

No idea.
09-21-2023, 10:43 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No idea.

Justin Fields, maybe the most mobile QB in the NFL.
09-21-2023, 10:51 AM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Nobody is going to put an extras hat "in there" just for Wright. It's not opening anything up because that's not the issue. The issue is clearly explained by Pate, Wyatt...etc. This OL can not block in this scheme. They are clueless.

We are friggin playing a OT at TE. About to burn his redshirt. Does that make any sense yo you? Any at all? That's not his position and he isn't going out for a pass and he isn;t blocking.

So why the HELL would you keep doing that as a STAFF!

Maybe Lemonis is acting in an advisory role in offense, passing (pitching) & defense this year.*****

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