As of today, Our Defense is ranked 99th! Offense 95th!

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Please clarify your overarching point in this thread. I think I may agree with the heart of it, but not certain.

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If you want my cliff note, it's this... drastic changes are drastic, and they take time. It doesn't really matter what guys you had the previous season if they were doing something totally different.

Blacksails using OM not changing much with lane as an excuse for why it took longer for leach while at the same time not seeing the change for barbay is his hypocrisy.

I'm far from sold on our offense, but I do see it's a major change. I'm gonna reserve judgement this time.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

That seems to be a compliment and a harsh rebuke in the same paragraph.

I said in the game thread Saturday after 1 drive that this is the biggest talent deficit with lsu in a decade. I stand by that. We looked like we were in slow motion vs them. The good news is that lsu is one of the most talented teams in the sec, so I expect us to look better going forward... I'm assuming reps help with execution; talent is what it is

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Not saying we have their talent but confusion makes you play slow. And then there is the question of maybe slacking off on the culture some. I know the players don't know what to do tho so yea ... they're playing slow.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Costello was 2nd in the pac 12 passing in 2018

Hill was 3rd in sec in rushing in 2019

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Hill was dismissed for conduct. Costello was injured and out and never had played in the AR.

You are trying hard... but totally failing to make a legit argument.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Pretty sure none of those are included in scoring "offense" stats. At least pick 6s wouldn't be.

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Yes, they are all included in the college game.

You guys are missing the biggest difference in Leach 2020 and Arnett 2023

Leach was a proven winner, so everyone figured that it may take a minute but he would eventually succeed. Which is largely true. The Leach era was not perfect but it was definitely a net positive for our program.

Arnett has proven nothing as a HC and looks totally lost and in over his head right now. Maybe it will get better but we have no proof that it will. So people are extremely worried.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I agree with you that we have major talent deficiencies on offense, mainly at OL and QB. In fact, I've been sounding the alarm about our OL all off-season and was told they are old and ran blocked in HS so they'd be fine and I didn't know what I was talking about.

As for will, we've all known for 3 years he can't move and has a weak arm. His strengths are getting the ball out fast and accuracy, neither of which this offense compliments. Just a cluster.

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I don't think there's a talent deficiency at Oline. Dolla Bill and Percy both 4* players. And I think we may have one more in there.

They ain't Charles Cross but they better than we usually get for Oline.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Hill was dismissed for conduct. Costello was injured and out and never had played in the AR.

You are trying hard... but totally failing to make a legit argument.

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How many of our current players have played in a barbay offense?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Pretty sure none of those are included in scoring "offense" stats. At least pick 6s wouldn't be.

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Every single point in college is included in points scored for the offense. Doesn't make sense but that's the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yes, they are all included in the college game.

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Ok ... I'll take your word for it. Surprised by pic 6s tho.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How many of our current players have played in a barbay offense?

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Which is the damn point. We should have never switched at this time. Do what others did... modify but stay with in the system known for the 20 starting SRs.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Ok ... I'll take your word for it. Surprised by pic 6s tho.

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It's a quirky stat that way. Like how sacks are counted as rushes and the negative yards go against the rushing totals in college. It shouldn't be counted as a rush attempt and they negative yards shouldn't go against your total rush yards.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Which is the damn point. We should have never switched at this time. Do what others did... modify but stay with in the system known for the 20 starting SRs.

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If that's your logic, then we never should have switched to the air raid in 2020. And we shouldn't have switched from the zone read run QB spread in 2018. I didn't have a problem switching to the air raid btw, but you are stretching logic pretty bad in this instance to make a point.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

It's a quirky stat that way. Like how sacks are counted as rushes and the negative yards go against the rushing totals in college. It shouldn't be counted as a rush attempt and they negative yards shouldn't go against your total rush yards.

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Ok ... as you say it don't make sense but now I know.

C34 was actually right this time. Doesn't happen often****

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Pretty sure none of those are included in scoring "offense" stats. At least pick 6s wouldn't be.

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Well you would be wrong

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Don't move the goal posts by changing year and what stat you want to interject. His point had nothing to do with scoring offense. We won 9 games with that stat btw.

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Nobody is moving the goalposts. Scoring is what matters. Yards dont factor into the final score

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well you would be wrong

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LOL ... and I admitted it too.

What we get for hiring a coach with experience of just a few years as a coordinator. Under a very experienced Coach that knew what he was doing

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

If that's your logic, then we never should have switched to the air raid in 2020. And we shouldn't have switched from the zone read run QB spread in 2018. I didn't have a problem switching to the air raid btw, but you are stretching logic pretty bad in this instance to make a point.

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One could argue the huge difference is leach knew he had time to clean house, start from ground zero, and build. If I'm arnett, I'm thinking I can't go 4-8 and keep this job. I have to be at least average to good now, so I better go with an offense that gives me a shot at that.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We were 104th in total offense in 2020

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Just like the Jeffersons, we're moving on up!!