Lem will be back

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I don't know of a single one.

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There are numerous people on this board and others who have said they think Lemonis should be fired if we miss Hoover but can stay if we make it, as if that's the baseline (top 12 in a 14-team league) he has to meet to keep his job.

12th out of 14 isn't good enough in football, much less a sport where we care the most out of any fanbase in the country and really only 4 of the 14 teams in the conference do.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There are numerous people on this board and others who have said they think Lemonis should be fired if we miss Hoover but can stay if we make it, as if that's the baseline (top 12 in a 14-team league) he has to meet to keep his job.

12th out of 14 isn't good enough in football, much less a sport where we care the most out of any fanbase in the country and really only 4 of the 14 teams in the conference do.

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Heres' the thing:

3-9 in football and you are nowhere near being a competent team. You just suck basically.

As bad as we have been this year- we are 44th right now in RPI. We are the 44th best team in the country ratings-wise. That would get us in the NCAA Tourney in basketball. That would get us in a very good bowl in football. But in baseball- different world. In most other baseball conferences- we are the 1 seed. So judging is different

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Heres' the thing:

3-9 in football and you are nowhere near being a competent team. You just suck basically.

As bad as we have been this year- we are 44th right now in RPI. We are the 44th best team in the country ratings-wise. That would get us in the NCAA Tourney in basketball. That would get us in a very good bowl in football. But in baseball- different world. In most other baseball conferences- we are the 1 seed. So judging is different

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The 13th best SEC football team is probably the around 44th best team in the country, so I think it is comparable.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There are numerous people on this board and others who have said they think Lemonis should be fired if we miss Hoover but can stay if we make it, as if that's the baseline (top 12 in a 14-team league) he has to meet to keep his job.

12th out of 14 isn't good enough in football, much less a sport where we care the most out of any fanbase in the country and really only 4 of the 14 teams in the conference do.

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I think some of our fans are confusing realistic expectations for THIS season based on how the season played out vs our actual program standard.

Those are two very different things.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I 100 percent disagree

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We could fire him now- but it would likely cause a lot more long term harm than good.

It's simply too expensive and too risky at this point to fire him. Because of that it doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Making a regional should be the floor for us every year. That is like making a bowl in football. Really should be in contention for hosting at least every year too.

Not making Hoover is like 1-11 in football. Not getting in a regional as a 4 seed is like 4-8. For a baseball program like ours, it ain't much to ask for a regional every year. The past two years are beyond acceptable regardless injuries. Programs like us should just throw another talented guy out there and make a regional.

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For me it's a Super Regional. As a SEC team we have a pretty good chance of winning a regional. Especially at home. I think the last regional game we lost was 2013 to Central Arkansas. Odds are if you go to a regional you're going to be up against at least two mid majors. As bad as we may be we have won the vast majority of our OOC games. And our schedule isn't exactly a cake walk. We've beaten Arizona State, USM, Louisiana, among others.

Arrow- hosting has politics attached to it so I'm not as focused on that since we have less control over it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nick Mingione of Kentucky

7th in the East in 2019- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2021- No NCAA Tourney
6th in the East in 2022- No NCAA Tourney

2023? Listed as a national seed (8th in the country) currently heading in the last SEC weekend

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When did he fire his pitching coach mid season

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Heres' the thing:

3-9 in football and you are nowhere near being a competent team. You just suck basically.

As bad as we have been this year- we are 44th right now in RPI. We are the 44th best team in the country ratings-wise. That would get us in the NCAA Tourney in basketball. That would get us in a very good bowl in football. But in baseball- different world. In most other baseball conferences- we are the 1 seed. So judging is different

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Getting run ruled more than anyone in program history and holding both of the schools longest SEC losing streaks is pretty incompetent

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We could fire him now- but it would likely cause a lot more long term harm than good.

It's simply too expensive and too risky at this point to fire him. Because of that it doesn't make sense.

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I disagree also, he may be back back we got some serious problems. Our pitching has to be completely rebuilt, our defense has been awful, our hitting as far as average or on base % is inconsistent. We strive on the long ball which is good. I'm kinda shocked at your take on Lemonis. I hope IF he is back he gets us back to what Msu baseball was, it sure is hell ain't what I've seen and I'm not sure he can maintain the level our history has been.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Getting run ruled more than anyone in program history and holding both of the schools longest SEC losing streaks is pretty incompetent

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44th in RPI means nothing when you are losing as much as we have. I'm beginning to think 34 is kin to Lemonis** LOL

The man is in over his head. This team (SEC PLAY) is:

10th in hitting
12th in runs
14th in pitching
2nd in HR given up
14th in fielding

All with his recruits. And he had to bring back Hancock because we couldn't sign a catcher.
The guy sat on his big ole bucket ass and watched the wheels fall off at a time we should've been exploding to new heights with a new stadium and a Natty. His recruiting went off the rails for two full years.
We're going to reward him.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The man is in over his head. This team (SEC PLAY) is:

10th in hitting
12th in runs
14th in pitching
2nd in HR given up
14th in fielding

All with his recruits. And he had to bring back Hancock because we couldn't sign a catcher.
The guy sat on his big ole bucket ass and watched the wheels fall off at a time we should've been exploding to new heights with a new stadium and a Natty. His recruiting went off the rails for two full years.
We're going to reward him.

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Seems insane to me too. I guess it depends on what the cigar boys want to do.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

When did he fire his pitching coach mid season

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After finishing 7th in the East in 2019- he fired both assistants...now he is a top 8 national seed. You asked. I answered

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No one is just OK with going to Hoover.

To me this is like when Dan went 6-7 with an Egg Bowl win and Peter Sirmon as our DC. We all knew that Dan had some success with us and we all knew that Sirmon was obviously THE problem. We all knew that Dan could turn it around with a better DC- which he did in 2017.

I feel pretty confident that Lemonis will turn it around with a new PC.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but this team has talent to where it can be turned around pretty quickly I think.

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How do you explain the poor fielding then?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Actually a lot of people are, sadly.

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Literally no one is.

In the job world, If someone completely bombed at a job most of the year but did good work one week toward the end of the year, that would not make up for MOST of the year doing terrible and most likely one would be fired. In this case, if we were losing games 3-2, 6-5, 8-6 for most of our losses, it would still be bad but there would at least be some glimmer of "we are close". But getting run ruled at this level so many times is not acceptable AT ALL. It's embarrassing and he needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The man is in over his head. This team (SEC PLAY) is:

10th in hitting
12th in runs
14th in pitching
2nd in HR given up
14th in fielding

All with his recruits. And he had to bring back Hancock because we couldn't sign a catcher.
The guy sat on his big ole bucket ass and watched the wheels fall off at a time we should've been exploding to new heights with a new stadium and a Natty. His recruiting went off the rails for two full years.
We're going to reward him.

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Thank goodness for the long ball. The stats tell the true story why we are losing so much.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I can live with bringing Lemonis back if he?s committed.

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not good enough for me. What's he going to say now.."I'm not committed" When the wagon is burning, it's nearly impossible to recover, no matter what you say and how committed you are.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

After finishing 7th in the East in 2019- he fired both assistants...now he is a top 8 national seed. You asked. I answered

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That was not mid season. Lemonis aint it. He has been given more than enough time with little to no excuses to be this bad. None.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

That was not mid season. Lemonis aint it. He has been given more than enough time with little to no excuses to be this bad. None.

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Firing is firing. You are splitting hairs at this point.

Do I think Lemon is the long range guy? No
Do I think he deserves one more to prove himself? Yes

Baseball is different from football in recruiting and other ways. I have questioned this guy's moves since he got here. But he won our only Natty. And that buys cred. A few pitching injuries is the equivalent of losing your starting QB. That was our 2022. We had a few more this season that really hurt. He probably deserves 1 more season. We have a Top 5 recruiting class, have some quality players returning, and should pull in some portal guys.