Seems to be some smoke around us considering Jackie Sherrill basketball version

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So for the folks that do not want Miller for whatever reason you might have let?s do a quick run through of other possible candidates I have seen mentioned the most:

1. Pitino- would be on the level of Miller. An established P5 guy. This would be a home run hire.
2. McMahon- not coming. He will get the Louisville job.
3. Medved- Will never coach west of the Rockies.
4. Bob Richey- You may could get him but he had opportunities last offseason and did not leave Furman.
5. Grant McCasland- I think he would probably take it and is probably the most realistic non home run hire. However, he plays like Howland. Defense and half court offense. I actually put him a little above Richey in my mind because he comes from the Scott Drew coaching tree.


Like others have said we are probably the 12th or 13th best job in the conference at this point. Outside of Vandy and probably Missouri we have the worst arena in the conference. Our fan base is nonexistent. You have to be realistic about things. If we were Ole Miss(nice new arena) or even South Carolina(big arena, fan base shows up for the most part) I would feel better about who we could draw. It just is not like football where coaches just follow the money.

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Go ahead and scratch Pitino. More dirt came out on him in a book yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Go ahead and scratch Pitino. More dirt came out on him in a book yesterday.

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Outside of child porn I'd be fine with Pitino. At least he didn't say all the hookers were for him only.

Who cares what system the next coach runs!! Its all about the Wins and Losses.... I could care less how many buckets we make, as long as we make one more than our opponent.. People will complain about anything these days....

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Go ahead and scratch Pitino. More dirt came out on him in a book yesterday.

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He literally did less than what Wade or Pearl are accused of doing. Non story. If he wants the job hire him on the spot.

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

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Originally Posted by JOHNHEVESYMADE

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

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Not saying the results would be the same, but we've done literally this exact same thing in the past...
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Originally Posted by JOHNHEVESYMADE

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

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Hell no… respectfully

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Other than Mississippi or Georgia- who is our program better than?

SC made the FF a few years ago
Missouri has had a solid program. Maybe we are ahead of them
A&M has had some success recently. Maybe we can claim superiority.

We are maybeeeee 10th??????

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SC, UGA, Vandy, Mizzou all are no better than we are right now. Look at what the put on the floor right now compared to us? They no better and maybe worse.

If we want to take the next step in college basketball we need to hire a coach not a recruiter. I don?t want a coach that underachieved at blue bloods. We have experienced recruiters and it only takes us so far like Howland and Stansbury. Williams on the other hand was a coach and he got us a sweet 16 and final 4 appearance. Neither recruiter has done that. Frank Martin is a horrible recruiter, but he has basically the same SEC record as Howland if not better over the past 5 years minus the COVID year where Martin was sick most of the season. That?s because Martin gets the most out of his players. It is way more frustrating to me to see a coach waste talent than a coach that gets nothing but makes them something. Martin has a final 4 appearance at his school and that is the difference between Howland and Stansbury vs Martin and Richard Williams. Sean Miller will be another Stansbury or Howland. If our fan base is ok with that we should just keep Howland. Of course the goal is to find a Bruce Pearl who is great at both but that?s hard to find. We need a young energetic mid major coach like Oats or Musselman to ever give us a chance to get back to a final 4 because no matter how good or a recruiter a coach is we won?t be able to get Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona Kansas Duke or UNC talent

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Originally Posted by JOHNHEVESYMADE

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

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So, you want to hire a guy who since he left has been to Zero NCAA tournaments, won Zero Conference Titles, and Zero Conference Tourneys - all at a G5 Power that has 29 Conference Titles, 19 Tourney Titles, 23 NCAA Appearances - and is historically a better program than ours? No thanks.

Our fans will call Cohen an idiot and then suggest hiring Stansbury and Novak as our two basketball coaches.

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

Our fans will call Cohen an idiot and then suggest hiring Stansbury and Novak as our two basketball coaches.

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Yep, lol.

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Originally Posted by JOHNHEVESYMADE

Lets say Sean Miller doesn't work out during vetting process... Why wouldn't we consider bringing back the coach who led us to the best decade of basketball in school history? We've been to the NCAA Tourney 11 times in school history. He took us to 6 of those. We have played in the NIT 10 times in school history. He took us to 5 of those. We have played in the semifinals or finals of the SEC tourney 7 of his 14 years. We haven't played on a Saturday in the SEC tourney since he left. I could go on and on, but I leave with this question: if you are sitting in the HBC office at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, etc. who is the one guy you absolutely don't want to see in Maroon and White right now? The answer to that questions carries more weight than anything I have seen posted on here lately.

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The one guy they don?t want to see is probably Sean Miller or Pitino. The guy they most definitely would love to see is Slick Rick.

I'm not opposed to Miller but would like Jerome Tang, associate head coach at Baylor, to get a look.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

If we want to take the next step in college basketball we need to hire a coach not a recruiter. I don?t want a coach that underachieved at blue bloods. We have experienced recruiters and it only takes us so far like Howland and Stansbury. Williams on the other hand was a coach and he got us a sweet 16 and final 4 appearance. Neither recruiter has done that. Frank Martin is a horrible recruiter, but he has basically the same SEC record as Howland if not better over the past 5 years minus the COVID year where Martin was sick most of the season. That?s because Martin gets the most out of his players. It is way more frustrating to me to see a coach waste talent than a coach that gets nothing but makes them something. Martin has a final 4 appearance at his school and that is the difference between Howland and Stansbury vs Martin and Richard Williams. Sean Miller will be another Stansbury or Howland. If our fan base is ok with that we should just keep Howland. Of course the goal is to find a Bruce Pearl who is great at both but that?s hard to find. We need a young energetic mid major coach like Oats or Musselman to ever give us a chance to get back to a final 4 because no matter how good or a recruiter a coach is we won?t be able to get Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona Kansas Duke or UNC talent

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Get back to the Final 4? Are you serious? We have been to one NCAA tourney in 9+ seasons since Stansbury left, and you're talking like we should be a Final 4 contender... Give me a break. Let me remind you that Stansbury built the roster that got RW to the Sweet 16 and Final 4 in '95 and '96. If you think we get there without Stansbury, you are out of your mind. Richard Williams would tell you the same thing. I am old enough to remember what it was like March knowing that we were in the hunt. Ask Calipari about the '08 game in Little Rock or the 2010-2012 head to heads against him. If Rodney Hood doesn't go down in the first half of the '12 game, we win that one against Cal's NC team. One of our biggest problems is that we are not very realistic when it comes to hoops.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The one guy they don?t want to see is probably Sean Miller or Pitino. The guy they most definitely would love to see is Slick Rick.

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Let's be realistic... we likely we aren't getting Sean Miller or Rick Pitino... Do you think Bruce Pearl wants us to hire Rick Stansbury or Bob Richey/Richie Riley??

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Originally Posted by JOHNHEVESYMADE

Get back to the Final 4? Are you serious? We have been to one NCAA tourney in 9+ seasons since Stansbury left, and you're talking like we should be a Final 4 contender... Give me a break. Let me remind you that Stansbury built the roster that got RW to the Sweet 16 and Final 4 in '95 and '96. If you think we get there without Stansbury, you are out of your mind. Richard Williams would tell you the same thing. I am old enough to remember what it was like March knowing that we were in the hunt. Ask Calipari about the '08 game in Little Rock or the 2010-2012 head to heads against him. If Rodney Hood doesn't go down in the first half of the '12 game, we win that one against Cal's NC team. One of our biggest problems is that we are not very realistic when it comes to hoops.

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I think your missing the point. By no means do I expect a coach to come in here and take us to final 4s. I?m just saying that the last good floor coach we had was Richard Williams and he took us to a sweet 16 and a final 4. None of the other recruiters after him did that. Just because you get a ton of talent at a blue blood doesn?t make you a great floor coach. While we might be able to get good talent hiring Miller, it would most likely be Howland all over again. Miller couldn?t even get Arizona to a final 4 yet Frank Martin, Porter Mosier, etc did that with 2 star players. Look at Otzelberger at Iowa State, Musselman at Arkansas, Oats at Bama, Steve Forbes at Wake Forest. These are coaches that completely turned programs around and all have their teams in much better position than Howland for the tournament. The goal for Miss State should be to hire a good floor coach that can coach well enough to give us a chance and hope. If Miller couldn?t get it done at a blue blood like Arizona and get them to sniff a title, it?s not going to happen here

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree with you but we should be able to do better than Rick Ray. His resume' coming in was a complete WTF? Clemson basketball? LOL.

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Agreed, I should have said on the spectrum of Rick Ray to Chris Lemonis we're most likely to land closer in basketball to the former. The Rick Ray hire itself has to be among the most dubious major conference hires in modern history.

We're not going to re-hire a coach we fired.

Once Owned Now we are their Bitches.