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11-20-2013, 03:42 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Whoa whoa whoa....I'm cherry-picking?? Haha.

You're using a quote from Bill Parcells that 3 message board posters agreed to, to show what the new "motto" is....yet I'm "cherry-picking to meet an agenda"? Good grief, Mullen's balls are covering up your eyes.

I'm actually using FACTS and STATS from the last 16 games. We're 5-11.

A) "Mullen's Balls"? Seriously? I've already said if he loses the last 2 games I want him fired. So stop with the bullshit.

B) Why not include the 7-0 part of last year? Why not include we were 4-4 in the SEC last year? You're cherry-picking for your agenda. You are talking about 2 different teams. Coach Ray is 5-1 in his last 6 basketball games- does that mean the basketball program is headed to contend for the SEC this year?
11-20-2013, 03:42 PM
DawgsBite34

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Originally Posted by Coach34

they still lost 3 of their last 5- but you never hear about that. It's called spinning and perception

We should win these last 2 and move to a bowl- gotta get the job done

I believe we will with Dakota and if Mullen doesn't go back to halfass coaching.
11-20-2013, 03:45 PM
codeDawg

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

I know everyone claims their being unhappy with our program has nothing to do with at least the perception of a rising program in oxford, but does anyone really believe that? Seriously?

Would there be AS MUCH negative noise about our program right now if the Bears were 4-6 or 3-7? No, I don't think so.

Anyone who says it doesn't is full of shit. Of course it matters. These are the people we work with, we go to church with, we golf with. It does matter to us, and it matters to them.

I'm not sure I'm conveying my complaint well here. I'm not arguing Mullen lose his job. I'm arguing that he and the athletic department as a whole, find ways to compete better on the field and engage their fan base in a positive and meaningful way again. It just feels like they have been going through the motions for the past two years, and I'm over it.

Where is the dynamic marketing? Where are the engaging campaigns? Where is the attention on building positive game day experiences, promoting the positives of MSU, strengthening our culture as a school and as a fan base, organizing as a MSU family. That seems to have gone out the window. Now we just play ball games and hope people care.
11-20-2013, 03:47 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by codeDawg

No, they are the statistically superior team. It's not dramatic in all categories, but their offensive stats are about 30% better than ours and their defense is playing better as well. .

Total Defense:

State- 373.9
OM- 373.7

That's pretty much a dead heat- and we have played a tougher schedule with 5 teams out of the top 12

They are a little better offensively due to their WR's- the trade-off is that we will be at home. Should be a real good football game.
11-20-2013, 03:47 PM
DawgsBite34

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Originally Posted by FlabLoser

We took Auburn to the wire and gave Alabama a solid game.

Well that's good, we'll win the egg bowl too. Now you can say there's no dropoff from the 2009-10 era team.

We had auburn on the ropes on the road and Mullen playcalled like shit down the stretch got way to conservative and cost us the game. I know if Lewis would've caught that 3rd and 13 its a totally different story but the defense gave our offense the ball 3 times at the 50 and we got 0 points. BC of playcalling.

Their is most definitely been a drop off since 2010. record wise, effort wise, by the whole ****ing program not just the coach. in 2009 and 2010 the administration was putting up billboards all kinds of shit. 2012 we had probably one of the most talented experienced teams we have ever had EVER and our coaches blew it. Chris Wilson was just pathetic. how in the hell do you have 2 starting NFL corners and you have that shitty of a defense.
11-20-2013, 03:48 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

A) "Mullen's Balls"? Seriously? I've already said if he loses the last 2 games I want him fired. So stop with the bullshit.

B) Why not include the 7-0 part of last year? Why not include we were 4-4 in the SEC last year? You're cherry-picking for your agenda. You are talking about 2 different teams. Coach Ray is 5-1 in his last 6 basketball games- does that mean the basketball program is headed to contend for the SEC this year?

Sorry about the balls part, but your trying to find sunshine in this shit constantly is getting horrible.

As for the second part, that is not cherry picked! It's the most recent 16 games we've played. It is no longer a fluke once it hits 16 games is it? Unfortunately looking at the last 6 games last year is FAR more reflective of what we are seeing now.

Don't get upset when I am only showing you recent facts. Far more recent than the distant 7-0, #WeBelieve, shit. What we are right now, is a team that has lost 11 of the last 16 and is in serious need of some wins and some positive momentum. No agenda, no spin, just facts.
11-20-2013, 03:51 PM
codeDawg

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Originally Posted by DawgsBite34

Their defense is better??? than who's? Texas A&Ms????? State has a much much MUCH better defense than Ole Miss's. They have done just about as well as you could ask for this year except the 4th quarter vs LSU. Considering we have a coach that made just pure idiotic playcalls and couldn't give them any help, our defense would be way on up there statistically. We will take the run away from Ole Miss, make them one dimensional, Dak will hit their ass in the mouth and we'll win. IF we execute and Dan keeps coaching with some fire like he has recently. if you think TSUN has a better defense than State we are not watching the same games

We are very close, but they have played slightly better:

Defensive Stat Comparison

MISS MSST

Opp Yards/Play 5.5 5.9

Opp Points/Play 0.371 0.422

Opp Completion % 63.97% 63.76%

Opp 3D Conv % 38.89% 36.44%

Opp RZ Scoring % 81.08% 89.66%
11-20-2013, 03:52 PM
Turner Center All Star

He said

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Originally Posted by DawgsBite34

Their defense is better??? than who's? Texas A&Ms????? State has a much much MUCH better defense than Ole Miss's.

statistically speaking. In all games, Ole Miss is giving up 374 ypg, 5.4 ypp, and 25.0 ppg. MSU is giving up 374 ypg, 5.8 ypp, and 26.5 ppg. In SEC-only play, Ole Miss is giving up 433 ypg, 6.1 ypp, and 29.8 ppg. MSU is giving up 429 ypg, 6.4 ypp, and 35.0 ppg. So, statistically speaking, they are close with Ole Miss having a slight edge in YPP allowed and PPG allowed. Of course, Ole Miss has a more challenging remaining schedule than MSU, so these could flip by the end of the season.
11-20-2013, 03:54 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Total Defense:

State- 373.9
OM- 373.7

That's pretty much a dead heat- and we have played a tougher schedule with 5 teams out of the top 12

They are a little better offensively due to their WR's- the trade-off is that we will be at home. Should be a real good football game.

The strength of schedule will be roughly identical going into the Egg Bowl.
11-20-2013, 03:57 PM
DawgsBite34

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Originally Posted by Turner Center All Star

statistically speaking. In all games, Ole Miss is giving up 374 ypg, 5.4 ypp, and 25.0 ppg. MSU is giving up 374 ypg, 5.8 ypp, and 26.5 ppg. In SEC-only play, Ole Miss is giving up 433 ypg, 6.1 ypp, and 29.8 ppg. MSU is giving up 429 ypg, 6.4 ypp, and 35.0 ppg. So, statistically speaking, they are close with Ole Miss having a slight edge in YPP allowed and PPG allowed. Of course, Ole Miss has a more challenging remaining schedule than MSU, so these could flip by the end of the season.

State has a better defense that Ole Miss. period. watch the games, we have more talent plus we're at home. I don't give a damn if they bring Patrick Willis back theyre gonna struggle with Dak
11-20-2013, 03:58 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

Our last 9 SEC wins are against teams with a combined 8-62 SEC record. We've been fortunate to run into some dumpster fires.

If this stat is true, wow that is pretty amazing.
11-20-2013, 04:00 PM
Coach34

nobody is saying we dont need wins- I'm just pointing out that people cant have it both ways. Either 8-4 was a good year and people need to stfu- or we really are a little better than our record, and should show it in these last 2 games. If we lose and dont make a bowl- then you guys are correct. If we win out and make a bowl for the 4th straight year- becoming just the 6th team out of 14 teams in the SEC to do that- then Mullen should get some damn credit. Being one of 6 means the program is in pretty damn good shape compared to others in the SEC

We'll see how it plays out.
11-20-2013, 04:05 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

nobody is saying we dont need wins- I'm just pointing out that people cant have it both ways. Either 8-4 was a good year and people need to stfu- or we really are a little better than our record, and should show it in these last 2 games. If we lose and dont make a bowl- then you guys are correct. If we win out and make a bowl for the 4th straight year- becoming just the 6th team out of 14 teams in the SEC to do that- then Mullen should get some damn credit. Being one of 6 means the program is in pretty damn good shape compared to others in the SEC

We'll see how it plays out.

I agree
11-20-2013, 04:10 PM
The Croom Diaries

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If this stat is true, wow that is pretty amazing.

I wouldn't write it if it wasn't.

Kentucky 10: 2-6
Ole Miss 10: 1-7
Kentucky 11: 2-6
Ole Miss 11: 0-8
Auburn 12: 0-8
Kentucky 12: 0-8
Tennessee 12: 1-7
Arkansas 12: 2-6
Kentucky 13: 0-6
11-20-2013, 04:13 PM
The Croom Diaries

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Or we have shown we are not going to turn into a dumpster fire. We win the last 2, we will still be only 1 of only 6 SEC teams to go to 4 straight bowl games. 6 of 14 teams

And I wish like hell we could play Florida now

Fair enough. Beating horrible teams is the signature of Mullen's tenure. So we sure as hell better beat Arkansas.
11-20-2013, 04:22 PM
LiterallyPolice

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

I wouldn't write it if it wasn't.

Kentucky 10: 2-6
Ole Miss 10: 1-7
Kentucky 11: 2-6
Ole Miss 11: 0-8
Auburn 12: 0-8
Kentucky 12: 0-8
Tennessee 12: 1-7
Arkansas 12: 2-6
Kentucky 13: 0-6

What is the flip side of this? That is, what is the SEC record of teams that have beat us? I would imagine it's pretty darn good.
11-20-2013, 04:23 PM
codeDawg

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

Fair enough. Beating horrible teams is the signature of Mullen's tenure. So we sure as hell better beat Arkansas.

Amen. A win in AR and an Egg Bowl victory would be a welcome result.
11-20-2013, 05:19 PM
The Croom Diaries

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Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice

What is the flip side of this? That is, what is the SEC record of teams that have beat us? I would imagine it's pretty darn good.

Since we beat UK in 2010 (Oct. 30) we have lost 17 SEC games to teams with a combined 97-33 record.

So since the UK game in 2010 (the last time we beat a ranked/SEC team w/ a winning record, Florida) we are 9-17. The wins have come against teams that are 8-62 (.114) and the losses against teams that were 97-33 (.746). We are right in the middle never losing to team with a SEC record less than 6-2 except to Ole Miss last year who was 3-5 and Auburn in 2011 who was 4-4 - which were the only games we were favored in. LSU will be 5-3 or 4-4 this year, and A&M could end up between 6-2 and 4-4.
11-20-2013, 05:41 PM
HancockCountyDog

Mullen may not have raised the ceiling of the MSU program, but I think it's definitely a fair thing to say that he has raised the floor. The days of 2-3 win seasons are long gone. I also don't think 0 or 1 win SEC seasons are possible either.

He has proven to be consistent - now what level of consistency is probably an issue, but you can't argue that he hasn't at a minimum raised the floor of MSU football and that is no easy task.

In five years he has proven that he won't turn MSU into a dumpster fire. That may sound like a trivial point, but based on our current history, its not something to be glossed over.
11-20-2013, 05:46 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Mullen may not have raised the ceiling of the MSU program, but I think it's definitely a fair thing to say that he has raised the floor. The days of 2-3 win seasons are long gone. I also don't think 0 or 1 win SEC seasons are possible either.

He has proven to be consistent - now what level of consistency is probably an issue, but you can't argue that he hasn't at a minimum raised the floor of MSU football and that is no easy task.

In five years he has proven that he won't turn MSU into a dumpster fire. That may sound like a trivial point, but based on our current history, its not something to be glossed over.

I agree.

Now, can he take that next step? That's what we're waiting to see.

	MISS	MSST
Opp Yards/Play	5.5	5.9
Opp Points/Play	0.371	0.422
Opp Completion %	63.97%	63.76%
Opp 3D Conv %	38.89%	36.44%
Opp RZ Scoring %	81.08%	89.66%

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