Will Levis

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I guess we can keep arguing but in the end there is this:

1. You have to be good at QB
2. You have to be good upfront
3. You have to have a good DL that can pressure the QB

Championship teams usually have a combination of the 3. Having just 1 gives you very little chance at a title. All 3 are as important as the other.

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Yeah I think there are different arguments being made at this point. I don't disagree with this. It's just that 2 and 3 above involve a group of players or at least a couple of players if you want to say a pair of DE's or DT/Edge combo. The original claim was in regards to a single position. The QB position is more important than a single defensive line position or a single offensive line position.

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Yeah I think there are different arguments being made at this point. I don't disagree with this. It's just that 2 and 3 above involve a group of players or at least a couple of players if you want to say a pair of DE's or DT/Edge combo. The original claim was in regards to a single position. The QB position is more important than a single defensive line position or a single offensive line position.

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But DE is 1 position. It does involve 2 players vs 1 QB but its still 1 position. Same with OT. They are every bit as important as QB.

Dan Marino never won a title.
Neither have any of Mike Leach's QB's that have put up insane passing numbers.

It's just not a 1 position is more important argument

Aaron Rodgers has 1 title- Troy Aikman wasnt half the QB Rodgers is- 3 titles. That right there tells you QB is not necessarily the most important part. But having the best OL in history made Aikman more successful overall.

Eli has 2 titles to Rodgers 1. Nobody with an intelligence above jello think Eli is even close to Rodgers. Would anybody take Aikman over Dan Marino? You should be punched in the throat if you say yes. Tony Romo was better than Aikman.

So what is the separation? The Trenches

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

So is it all 11 as in there are no positions more important than others like you said here or is it OL/DL like you said earlier? Frankly, you're missing the point, which was simply that QB is the MOST important position on the field, not that others don't matter. Earlier you said OL/DL was more important, but those are groups of people not individual positions, which is what the subject that you responded to.

I'm actually surprised that someone as knowledgeable as you would argue against the QB being the single most important position out of the 11 on the field at a time. Again, not the ONLY important position or that all aren't needed, just the most important in terms of making the most difference between winning and losing.

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I said if I had to pick one spot to be elite it would be DL/OL. All 11 are just as important as the other. All 11 have to do right more than their 11 in order to win. That is what Im saying.

Egg bowl was a great example of this

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Well we are just talking past each other. Either you are trolling, had too much eggnog, or you are just too married to your own imagination of what you think everyone here (except you and 34) is talking about. ONE of the 11 positions. I could use your logic and say that if the FG holder dropped the ball on a game tying XP with no time on the clock he is more important that the QB, and its just not true.

I am not here to convince you that the water is wet, or that a RG cant have a MA and get a play blown-up. It is certainly your prerogative to believe whatever you like. Sometimes people just have to agree to disagree and move on, and that's OK.

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Absolutely. the obsession over QBs from the media is ridiculous and honesty disrespectful to the game and the teams. That is my biggest problem with how people treat QBs

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I said if I had to pick one spot to be elite it would be DL/OL. All 11 are just as important as the other. All 11 have to do right more than their 11 in order to win. That is what Im saying.

Egg bowl was a great example of this

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I completely agree with you and Coach on this. Which is why I would get so upset at Dan's recruiting. He would literally not recruit a position group for 2-3 cycles and just roll with freshmen and it would kill us every time.

QB gets the glory usually- but the reality is someone has to catch the ball and block for him for the play to work. And the running backs have to be able to run to take pressure off of the passing game. And the defense and special teams must do their jobs so that the offense can operate in a more advantageous manner. As Bill Walsh used to say- in football everyone is an extension of everyone else.

That's also why the next two years are exciting for me. We have a LOT of players coming back who are just now entering their prime as football players. Their best days are ahead of them. And if the trend holds I suspect we'll see most of these guys back for their COVID senior year.

It just bothers me that people look at the wrong shit. Dan Fouts was a much better QB than Terry Bradshaw. Dan Fouts wont be remembered like Bradshaw because Bradshaw played QB for Pittsburgh when they had one of the greatest defenses of all-time.

Boomer Esiason and Eli Manning were the same the QB. The difference is that Eli and NYG had an elite DL for a few years. Boomer didnt win a SB because of Joe Montana. Eli won because of an incredible DL and 2 of the best catches in SB history.

DL cancels QB's

What bothers me is that people can't seem to understand that we all agree the most important position GROUP is in the trenches. A great OL or DL can completely control or disrupt an entire game. But if you boil it down to one position, QB is the single most important position on the field. He can effect the game the most. He touches it every play. He must read the D pre-snap, change the play if necessary at the line, read the D post-snap, and get the ball to the right place in 3 secs or less. No one holds a higher responsibility on the field than that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It just bothers me that people look at the wrong shit. Dan Fouts was a much better QB than Terry Bradshaw. Dan Fouts wont be remembered like Bradshaw because Bradshaw played QB for Pittsburgh when they had one of the greatest defenses of all-time.

Boomer Esiason and Eli Manning were the same the QB. The difference is that Eli and NYG had an elite DL for a few years. Boomer didnt win a SB because of Joe Montana. Eli won because of an incredible DL and 2 of the best catches in SB history.

DL cancels QB's

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Good post. Same with Marino as you said. Montana was on a great team too. That can make a really good QB a lot better. Montana was better with Rice and Brady was better with Moss and Gronk in Gronk's prime at least.

And look at Mahomes in the Super Bowl behind his patchwork o-line. He could only do so much.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Good post. Same with Marino as you said. Montana was on a great team too. That can make a really good QB a lot better. Montana was better with Rice and Brady was better with Moss and Gronk in Gronk's prime at least.

And look at Mahomes in the Super Bowl behind his patchwork o-line. He could only do so much.

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It most definitely takes a team with a lot of good pieces to win it all. That's why I like football. Best team game out there.

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

It most definitely takes a team with a lot of good pieces to win it all. That's why I like football. Best team game out there.

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Absolutely! My favorite part of recruiting is projecting what our team will look like 3-5 years down the road and where we need to fill in the holes. That's the most encouraging thing about Leach to me- he fills in holes every year.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Absolutely! My favorite part of recruiting is projecting what our team will look like 3-5 years down the road and where we need to fill in the holes. That's the most encouraging thing about Leach to me- he fills in holes every year.

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Yeah, it's kinda like a puzzle. I like watching it come together too. I have be a little more patient now because we have different times of the year to fill needs than we did before(Dec signing, Feb signing, and transfer portal). I do like these options because in the past when we missed on guys in Feb it felt like we were screwed and would have holes in our classes.