CBS Mock Draft has Cross going 5th overall

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12-16-2021, 12:32 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

If you are performing services for compensation, you are by definition labor. Doesn't matter what service is or the compensation is.

Definition doesn't matter. Without the schollie, you don't cash in. Play the final damn game.
12-16-2021, 12:36 PM
Extendedcab

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Definition doesn't matter. Without the schollie, you don't cash in. Play the final damn game.

^^^^^This all day!! Tried to repp, have to spread it around more.
12-16-2021, 12:44 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

^^^^^This all day!! Tried to repp, have to spread it around more.

I covered him on the rep for you ... that's exactly the way I see it
12-16-2021, 12:49 PM
Extendedcab

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And yet coaches can come to a player and say "you aren't going to play. You don't fit in our plans for the future. If you want to continue to play football, we will help find you a landing spot. We hear USM is looking for XXX positions in the portal." They can do this any time, and while they can't "take" your scholarship anymore, the writing is on the wall. None of this is as cut and dry as you are trying to make it out to be. Ultimately, players want to play and the 1 free transfer rule allows that to happen. Opting out of a meaningless bowl is akin to that as well - and is part of this relationship between players and programs no longer being a one-way street.

Just look at the players we have lost - the vast majority of them have dropped to G5 or FCS. If you think those guys just left a P5 program on their own accord, I've got some beachfront property in Chunky you might be interested in.

NLIs do not guarantee the individual will be a 1st string player, 2nd string or you will ride the bench and never participate in live competition. It is the individuals athleticism and knowledge of the sport (does he get it mentally) that mainly determines if they play and how much. Yes there are exceptions that an individuals skills do not match the coaches expectations for the position the individual want to play. If a NLI guaranteed playing time, I think there would be fewer NLIs (too big a gamble for mid-tier players) and teams would rely more on walk-ons! Only the 5-stars would get NLIs.
12-16-2021, 12:52 PM
Extendedcab

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

I covered him on the rep for you ... that's exactly the way I see it

Thank you FishDawg!
12-16-2021, 12:55 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Definition doesn't matter. Without the schollie, you don't cash in. Play the final damn game.

That's the beauty of contracts. If you're working for any job you likely signed a contract. This is a free country. You can quit at any point and the company can stop providing compensation.

So a player wants to quit for the bowl game. The school can then not provide any further compensation. It's highly likely Cross isn't going to school next semester. Most don't.

You're basically arguing that because 1 overtime portion of this "contract" wasn't honored... that none of the work should be compensated. THAT is ridiculous and anti-capitalist and goes against our laws. Next you'll say that kids that opt out after their junior year should have to pay back the scholly because they didn't go four full years. Just silly.
12-16-2021, 01:18 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Tater

That's the beauty of contracts. If you're working for any job you likely signed a contract. This is a free country. You can quit at any point and the company can stop providing compensation.

So a player wants to quit for the bowl game. The school can then not provide any further compensation. It's highly likely Cross isn't going to school next semester. Most don't.

You're basically arguing that because 1 overtime portion of this "contract" wasn't honored... that none of the work should be compensated. THAT is ridiculous and anti-capitalist and goes against our laws. Next you'll say that kids that opt out after their junior year should have to pay back the scholly because they didn't go four full years. Just silly.

Whose talking about STATE compensation? We're not negatively impacting his pocket book ,fining him or forcing him to play.
12-16-2021, 01:26 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Whose talking about STATE compensation? We're not negatively impacting his pocket book ,fining him or forcing him to play.

Negatively impacting his pocketbook would be revoking his scholarship back which is what is being thrown around. Or force them to play. I think it's an honorable thing to play, but completely understandable why certain people wouldn't. And the smart thing for the school would be to help alleviate their risk with insurance.

But if you don't think that's what's being argued then you might wanna re-read the ridiculous diatribe of the people supporting your point.
12-16-2021, 02:28 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Tater

Negatively impacting his pocketbook would be revoking his scholarship back which is what is being thrown around. Or force them to play. I think it's an honorable thing to play, but completely understandable why certain people wouldn't. And the smart thing for the school would be to help alleviate their risk with insurance.

But if you don't think that's what's being argued then you might wanna re-read the ridiculous diatribe of the people supporting your point.

I do not agree with making him pay or forcing him to play and most on our side on this don't either. He should respect the institution that got him here, his coaches and teammates; ESPECIALLY Will. Honor, Code , Loyalty. Are these things you can fathom? Can you handle the truth?
12-16-2021, 02:56 PM
Dak Holliday

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

I do not agree with making him pay or forcing him to play and most on our side on this don't either. He should respect the institution that got him here, his coaches and teammates; ESPECIALLY Will. Honor, Code , Loyalty. Are these things you can fathom? Can you handle the truth?

You don?t want to force him to play, but you want to force him to think/feel like you do so that he does play. That?s an odd concept. It?s the basic principle that causes most of the genocide around the world.
If only these people thought exactly like I do, this would be utopia.
Yeah, but they don?t.
Well, we will force them to.
What if they resist?
Eh, kill ?em.

Now, I can agree that there is enough money in the system that we can provide a safety blanket insurance policy that encourages/allows athletes to participate with their teammates if so desired without fear of total loss.
12-16-2021, 02:59 PM
Extendedcab

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

You don?t want to force him to play, but you want to force him to think/feel like you do so that he does play. That?s an odd concept. It?s the basic principle that causes most of the genocide around the world.
If only these people thought exactly like I do, this would be utopia.
Yeah, but they don?t.
Well, we will force them to.
What if they resist?
Eh, kill ?em.

Now, I can agree that there is enough money in the system that we can provide a safety blanket insurance policy that encourages/allows athletes to participate with their teammates if so desired without fear of total loss.

Who said anything about killing-em, that is a leftist strategy. All we want is for people to be honorable and do what they already agreed to do! Have some integrity! Man-up!!
12-16-2021, 03:11 PM
Dak Holliday

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Who said anything about killing-em, that is a leftist strategy. All we want is for people to be honorable and do what they already agreed to do! Have some integrity! Man-up!!

It?s not about killing them. It is about forcing them to hold your thoughts/beliefs which I equated to where that same thought process is present.
Encourage them to play. Empower them to play, but don?t try to force your way of thinking on them. They have parents for that.
12-16-2021, 03:19 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

It?s not about killing them. It is about forcing them to hold your thoughts/beliefs which I equated to where that same thought process is present.
Encourage them to play. Empower them to play, but don?t try to force your way of thinking on them. They have parents for that.

They have the right to think and do as they very well damn please and I've got the right to disagree. Don't over complicate it.
12-16-2021, 03:56 PM
Tater

Honor, Loyalty, Code, etc. don't pay the bills. Show me the money.

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