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08-03-2021, 05:26 AM
Schultzy

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That entire post is totally false. You really shouldn't believe everything you read on Facebook [or wherever you heard that]. Given the strength of the anti-abortion movement in the country, don't you think this would be blasted everywhere if it were true?

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/yo...ed-fetal-cells

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questio...ses-ingredient

Etc. - you can find many more debunkings on Google if those aren't enough

Anyone who is interested in this aspect of the vaccine debate should read the links provided by Quaoarskink as I did and decide for themselves if “debunk” is the correct takeaway. These links actually confirm use of fetal tissue from elective abortions for use in the development of the vaccines but do deny actual tissue existing in the vaccines being administered today.

The ethical aspect is not then resolved by the links provided.

Here is a short primer on fetal cell lines and vaccines.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...urce=lifefacts
08-03-2021, 07:03 AM
SteelCurtain74

Not to get in the weeds with the back and forth on vaccines and Covid-19 but one source that I have found very informative is The Darkhorse Podcast hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Both are PhD's in biology and present straight forward information leaving the politics out of it. You can find it on YouTube however because YouTube likes to play God, they also have an Odysee channel.
08-03-2021, 07:47 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

I’ll post this again….cliff notes version. My son, 3, tested positive last week…he previously tested positive last December when my whole family had it. The doctor completely disregarded his recent positive test. Doc said no one in the county had contracted it and tested positive a second time….yes there’s some wiggle room in what that actually means. He didn’t recommend quarantine or anything. So out of an abundance of caution we also had the more in depth multi day test done…PCR I believe, and sure enough it came back negative.

So all that to say, IF I had not already gotten it I would most likely be vaxxed. But based on this doctors reaction I feel good in my decision to not yet have taken it. I really don’t understand how someone can be so heavily pro vaccine without also recognizing the EXACT same effects of actually have the disease.

Did they test for RSV? RSV has been running crazy in the southeast over the last couple of months, with some adults getting it and showing symptoms. I wonder how many cases have been misdiagnosed on either side?
08-03-2021, 08:01 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

Anyone who is interested in this aspect of the vaccine debate should read the links provided by Quaoarskink as I did and decide for themselves if ?debunk? is the correct takeaway. These links actually confirm use of fetal tissue from elective abortions for use in the development of the vaccines but do deny actual tissue existing in the vaccines being administered today.

The ethical aspect is not then resolved by the links provided.

Here is a short primer on fetal cell lines and vaccines.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...urce=lifefacts

You said that they were developed using fetal cells, when they were developed from a fetal cell line (not the same thing), and more outrageously, you said the researchers worked with abortionists to get the cells, which is just totally wrong. That qualifies as a debunking.

And I don't debunk to dunk on you or anything. I just want you to have the right information so that you and others reading will go get the vaccine and save your life, or more likely the lives of others you come in contact with.

ETA - Your link alleges a link between the MMR vaccine and autism, so throw away that whole site.
08-03-2021, 08:14 AM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by Hot Rock

It?s simple to me, having it may very well give you immunity but we don?t know. So why not go for extra protection, especially vs the other variants. Any other conclusion leads me to think you are looking for a reason not to get vaccinated.

Having it definitely gives you anti bodies. This is not debatable. The vaccine is set up to mimic actually having it, not the other way around. I’m not anti vax by any means. But if it’s not necessary why worry with it?

And read my entire post. The doctor completely shrugged off my sons positive test since he’d already had it last winter. He knew he didn’t contract it again.

And you do realize that one of the popular treatments for someone that has it now is to give them the anti bodies from someone that has already had it to help them fight it and recover quicker…
08-03-2021, 08:18 AM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Did they test for RSV? RSV has been running crazy in the southeast over the last couple of months, with some adults getting it and showing symptoms. I wonder how many cases have been misdiagnosed on either side?

Yes. That’s actually why we took him in because we figured that’s what he had. He was negative for RSV but did also test positive for strep. Doctor prescribed antibiotics for strep and a day and a half later he was back to 100%.
08-03-2021, 08:45 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by SteelCurtain74

Not to get in the weeds with the back and forth on vaccines and Covid-19 but one source that I have found very informative is The Darkhorse Podcast hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Both are PhD's in biology and present straight forward information leaving the politics out of it. You can find it on YouTube however because YouTube likes to play God, they also have an Odysee channel.

Dr. Timothy Chen from Madison has been doing a Facebook live every week about it too. Very informative. Very apolitical. Actually was the reason I decided to get the vaccine. He's also a big state fan, FYI.
08-03-2021, 08:50 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by SteelCurtain74

Not to get in the weeds with the back and forth on vaccines and Covid-19 but one source that I have found very informative is The Darkhorse Podcast hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Both are PhD's in biology and present straight forward information leaving the politics out of it. You can find it on YouTube however because YouTube likes to play God, they also have an Odysee channel.

Those two are as political as anyone else, and although they are legitimately qualified in science unlike most "alternative" medical media sources, they are pretty fair out of the mainstream on the science. They're not publishing peer-reviewed material about the COVID vaccine, they're just spouting off opinions into the podcastsphere.
08-03-2021, 08:56 AM
Dawg2003

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Originally Posted by SteelCurtain74

Not to get in the weeds with the back and forth on vaccines and Covid-19 but one source that I have found very informative is The Darkhorse Podcast hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Both are PhD's in biology and present straight forward information leaving the politics out of it. You can find it on YouTube however because YouTube likes to play God, they also have an Odysee channel.

I would be very wary of these two. I used to listen to them, but they present very shoddy research to back to their claims. They also platform disreputable guests such as Robert Malone who claims to have invented mRNA technology but actually didn't. Bret and Heather pretty much turned into intellectual charlatans when those Patreon dollars started coming in. Be very wary of academics who have contributed nothing to their field. Real and respected academics have actually contributed papers and studies to their field.
08-03-2021, 09:09 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

Be very wary of academics who have contributed nothing to their field.

This, lol.

They've been pretty roundly debunked in their Covid tangents. Grifters gonna grift, though.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...5KzfU3ivRpSvbo

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...ikiIMCeM22kwQc

https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/loo...zgOwyLwqpBOeRY
08-03-2021, 09:30 AM
Dolphus Raymond

The Mississippi Department of Health reported over 1,500 new infections and 34 deaths yesterday. Be a true patriot and get the damn shot.
08-03-2021, 10:13 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

The Mississippi Department of Health reported over 1,500 new infections and 34 deaths yesterday. Be a true patriot and get the damn shot.

And you wonder why people won't get the shot.....this is why. Now you hate America if you don't get the vaccine. How about, let people make informed decisions for themselves and let them live with the consequences. I know that's a novel concept in today's time, but if you do what you feel is best for you then you're not making a wrong decision.
08-03-2021, 10:23 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

The Mississippi Department of Health reported over 1,500 new infections and 34 deaths yesterday. Be a true patriot and get the damn shot.

I got the vaccine for my own health, but mainly for those around me. But with the data now seeming to show that the virus spreads about the same whether you're vaccinated or not, it's just a question of severity of symptoms, I'm much more inclined to just accept people's choice to get the vaccine or risk getting seriously sick from the virus.

To me, the main reason I have been adamant that people should get it is the idea that you are highly unlikely to spread it if you're vaccinated. With that not seeming to be the case it really just comes down to your own personal risk decision, not the health and well-being of your friends, family and coworkers.

I don't really think patriotism has anything to do with it. Either way, if the virus spreads regardless of whether you've been vaccinated or not, we all just have to move forward with our lives because it's not going anywhere.
08-03-2021, 10:47 AM
Dolphus Raymond

When we put our nation ahead of what we personally desire, we are being a patriot. When we all pull in the same direction for the good of the nation, we are being a patriot. So, when we take a vaccination that we would rather not take for the common good of America, we are demonstrating our patriotism.
08-03-2021, 10:53 AM
NWADAWG

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

?Gain-of-function? is the euphemism for biological research aimed at increasing the virulence and lethality of pathogens and viruses. GoF research is government funded; its focus is on enhancing the pathogens? ability to infect different species and to increase their deadly impact as airborne pathogens and viruses.

My counterpart at work is former Navy and spent quite a bit of time in the waters off of the asian nations. When someone at work asked the first time (around Dec. '19 or Jan. '20 if anyone had heard of the virus thing over in china, his response was, "probably came from Wuhan, they've been creating bio-weapons for years. We were watching them when I was over there." Wuhan didn't get mentioned in the news for a few weeks after that so he wasn't just regurgitating Fox news.

So whether people want to accept it or not, this was created at a lab that is to some degree jointly funded by china and the US for "gain of function" work. The Wuhan lab is and has for a long time been creating bio-weapons. We will probably never know if it got out by accident or on purpose (I believe on purpose by chinese to manipulate markets that they wanted more ownership and control at a discount)

All of the hands that are giving out / controlling the data are filthy dirty.
08-03-2021, 10:58 AM
Dawg2003

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

This, lol.

They've been pretty roundly debunked in their Covid tangents. Grifters gonna grift, though.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...5KzfU3ivRpSvbo

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ive...ikiIMCeM22kwQc

https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/loo...zgOwyLwqpBOeRY

They've become very disreputable to the point of embarrassment. I've been following them since the Evergreen fiasco. I definitely sympathized with them on that end, but they've gone down a dark hole. They're making a lot of money off of this too. Their Patreon revenue is more than they'd ever make as a professors. They have PhDs, but they don't actually work in their field and have never contributed anything substantial to it. That's a huge red flag.
08-03-2021, 11:00 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

When we put our nation ahead of what we personally desire, we are being a patriot. When we all pull in the same direction for the good of the nation, we are being a patriot. So, when we take a vaccination that we would rather not take for the common good of America, we are demonstrating our patriotism.

If getting the vaccine doesn't actually impact the spread, only the symptoms, it's in the category of not smoking, wearing your seatbelt, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle, eating healthy, etc. Individual decisions impacting ones own well-being. Are those things showing patriotism? I wouldn't say so.

If the vaccine helps stop the spread, I agree with you, but if this recent info from the CDC is correct then that changes it for me.
08-03-2021, 11:24 AM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

If getting the vaccine doesn't actually impact the spread, only the symptoms, it's in the category of not smoking, wearing your seatbelt, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle, eating healthy, etc. Individual decisions impacting ones own well-being. Are those things showing patriotism? I wouldn't say so.

If the vaccine helps stop the spread, I agree with you, but if this recent info from the CDC is correct then that changes it for me.

This is what I’m beginning to think as well. Again, I’m not anti vaxx. But what is being released now is saying that getting the vaccine ultimately will keep you out of the hospital. That’s it. So even the patriots that have the vaccine can still spread it. So in the end it’s a personal choice.

When I see data that suggests to me that that vaccine anti bodies are better for me than the anti bodies that I currently have from actually having covid then I will most likely get it. Until then I don’t see the benefit of me getting it to anyone around me.
08-03-2021, 11:28 AM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

The Mississippi Department of Health reported over 1,500 new infections and 34 deaths yesterday. Be a true patriot and get the damn shot.

Couple of things
When they are going back to FEB to count deaths that a little fear porn if you ask me.

So daily deaths have gotten reported erroneously because they keep going back.

If someone test positive on September 2020 but dies due to another reason it's counted as covid death because they were on the covid positive list
08-03-2021, 01:28 PM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

When we put our nation ahead of what we personally desire, we are being a patriot. When we all pull in the same direction for the good of the nation, we are being a patriot. So, when we take a vaccination that we would rather not take for the common good of America, we are demonstrating our patriotism.

Funny how all the Dems said different when Trump was in office. Biden, Harris, and a slew of others said they wouldn't trust the "Trump" vaccine.

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