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07-09-2021, 11:10 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Numbers don't lie. If you are vaccinated and you get it you are a heck of a lot less likely to die than if you aren't vaccinated. It also ain't all about dying. I know several people who will never be the same after getting it.

Didn't you swear up and down that there was no way we'd have a college football season? Since you responded with a completely off the wall statement I decided I would too.
07-09-2021, 11:13 AM
StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.
07-09-2021, 11:15 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

This is how it should be, but there's all too few who can respect others decisions. For the vast majority, if I got, you should get, and if I didn't get it, you shouldn't either.
07-09-2021, 11:17 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

This is how it should be, but because everyone has a forum now, they have to try and force their decisions on everyone else, both sides of this.
07-09-2021, 11:19 AM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Unfortunately the numbers don't lie. We are heading into another surge with all that means. The sad thing is this one was mostly preventable. We had a choice this time. People chose to let this one happen. There are still around 1/4 of the over 65s not vaccinated in Mississippi. One more thing: Everyone I know that actually has to treat COVID is saying that this time it's affecting WAY more younger people, and the younger people are getting much sicker. Get your damn shots. It isn't some kind of political statement.

Thanks liver. I no rarely watch news these days and will take this under consideration.
07-09-2021, 11:19 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

It's not a purely personal choice when it affects others. I would be devastated and inconsolable if someone died from COVID after catching it from me. It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. By taking the vaccine, I've done what I can to minimize the chance that that happens.

Remember that everyone who dies from COVID got it from someone, and in almost all cases, the dying person and the person who gave it to them were both unvaccinated.
07-09-2021, 11:23 AM
Quaoarsking

I think we can all agree that if you're the type of person who likes to sleep around, it's a good idea to wear a condom, even though they don't literally bring the chance of pregnancy and STDs down to 0%.

And when you do, you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the next person you sleep with, the next person she sleeps with, and on down the chain, by preventing future outbreaks, or at least dramatically reducing them.

The same principle applies to COVID vaccination.
07-09-2021, 11:27 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It's not a purely personal choice when it affects others. I would be devastated and inconsolable if someone died from COVID after catching it from me. It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. By taking the vaccine, I've done what I can to minimize the chance that that happens.

Remember that everyone who dies from COVID got it from someone, and in almost all cases, the dying person and the person who gave it to them were both unvaccinated.

So both people knew the risks and decided to not take it......sounds like they made a personal choice and chose to live with the potential consequences. Which is exactly how it should be.
07-09-2021, 11:29 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I think we can all agree that if you're the type of person who likes to sleep around, it's a good idea to wear a condom, even though they don't literally bring the chance of pregnancy and STDs down to 0%.

And when you do, you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the next person you sleep with, the next person she sleeps with, and on down the chain, by preventing future outbreaks, or at least dramatically reducing them.

The same principle applies to COVID vaccination.

Ahh good to know that I'm basically spreading syphilis by not getting the vaccine.
07-09-2021, 11:30 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It's not a purely personal choice when it affects others. I would be devastated and inconsolable if someone died from COVID after catching it from me. It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. By taking the vaccine, I've done what I can to minimize the chance that that happens.

Remember that everyone who dies from COVID got it from someone, and in almost all cases, the dying person and the person who gave it to them were both unvaccinated.

Is that last part still true? I really hope so. Bc 2/3 of adults are vaccinated, and half of all people are vaccinated. So If vaccinated persons aren't spreading it like you say then the country should be much better off this go round.
07-09-2021, 11:32 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I think we can all agree that if you're the type of person who likes to sleep around, it's a good idea to wear a condom, even though they don't literally bring the chance of pregnancy and STDs down to 0%.

And when you do, you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the next person you sleep with, the next person she sleeps with, and on down the chain, by preventing future outbreaks, or at least dramatically reducing them.

The same principle applies to COVID vaccination.

But condoms are 99% effective. Are you saying the vaccine is 99% effective in preventing one from spreading or contracting covid?
07-09-2021, 11:40 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But condoms are 99% effective. Are you saying the vaccine is 99% effective in preventing one from spreading or contracting covid?

I don't know the exact number on either, but they are both extremely effective in preventing transmission.

Haven't you seen how dramatically cases and deaths have fallen since January?
07-09-2021, 11:42 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Is that last part still true? I really hope so. Bc 2/3 of adults are vaccinated, and half of all people are vaccinated. So If vaccinated persons aren't spreading it like you say then the country should be much better off this go round.

Yes. Unless there's been another in the last few days since I last verified the stat, there has been only 1 COVID death in Mississippi from a vaccinated person. Every single other one since March could have been prevented, or at least it's extremely likely that it could have been. And that's prevented either from the now-deceased person getting the vaccine OR from the person who gave it to them getting it.

How do you think their families feel knowing that?
07-09-2021, 11:43 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So both people knew the risks and decided to not take it......sounds like they made a personal choice and chose to live with the potential consequences. Which is exactly how it should be.

I just fundamentally disagree with this. I don't want anyone dying a preventable death, even if they "knew the risks" (which I find dubious in a lot of cases)
07-09-2021, 11:45 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I don't know the exact number on either, but they are both extremely effective in preventing transmission.

Haven't you seen how dramatically cases and deaths have fallen since January?

If the vaccine is that effective, that may make me rethink getting it.

The cases peaked January 12 and started tanking through January and February, long before the vaccine took hold. I do think the vaccine helped though.
07-09-2021, 11:48 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yes. Unless there's been another in the last few days since I last verified the stat, there has been only 1 COVID death in Mississippi from a vaccinated person. Every single other one since March could have been prevented, or at least it's extremely likely that it could have been. And that's prevented either from the now-deceased person getting the vaccine OR from the person who gave it to them getting it.

How do you think their families feel knowing that?

Well that's good news. If vaccinated persons can't spread the delta variant, case numbers should not get out of hand considering how many people are vaccinated. Basically, a vaccinated person who comes into contact with it would act like a barrier, preventing further spread.
07-09-2021, 11:50 AM
BuckyIsAB****

Delete this shit
07-09-2021, 11:51 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I just fundamentally disagree with this. I don't want anyone dying a preventable death, even if they "knew the risks" (which I find dubious in a lot of cases)

So you want forced vaccinations? I respectfully disagree with your opinion on it, but hey it's your opinion. You've got just as much a right to is as I have to mine.
07-09-2021, 11:55 AM
SailingDawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So both people knew the risks and decided to not take it......sounds like they made a personal choice and chose to live with the potential consequences. Which is exactly how it should be.

No it?s not how it should be. It should be that we trust the scientists and get vaccinated so we don?t put others in danger. Period.
07-09-2021, 11:57 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

You mean an event where 25k met daily for two weeks resulted in a sickness outbreak? I bet there was a stomach bug with a group and a flu bug with a group as well. There was also probably a car wreck for some family to or from the event at some point.
We have to get a grip...

Exactly. This is 100 percent on the media and people spending too much time on Twitter, FB, IG

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