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Peyton Ramzey from Indiana entered the portal. Maybe a back up plan

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Peyton Ramzey from Indiana entered the portal. Maybe a back up plan

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Why is he leaving?

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

But the blue bloods are the ones that are actually winning because of it. Look at us last year, Arkansas, Missouri, Miami, Maryland, WVU and I'm sure others all floundered the entire season after hitting the transfer portal for a QB. Were all pretty much disjointed from the start. You could even argue that if LSU only had Burrow for a 1 year rental in 2018 he is a failure. I just don't see getting Costello for a 1 year transition year as vital, but I'm not against him coming.

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Wazzu was in the playoff running until the final weekend of the season with minshew. So clearly it can help non-blue bloods too. As for all the teams you listed, do you think they'd have been better with the QBs on their rosters before the transfer? Because unless you believe they were benching they wrong guy, you can't really argue the transfer Portland QB hurt them, it's the rest of the roster and/or coaching that was the problem.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Wazzu was in the playoff running until the final weekend of the season with minshew. So clearly it can help non-blue bloods too. As for all the teams you listed, do you think they'd have been better with the QBs on their rosters before the transfer? Because unless you believe they were benching they wrong guy, you can't really argue the transfer Portland QB hurt them, it's the rest of the roster and/or coaching that was the problem.

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My thoughts are WSU with Minshew is the exception and not the norm, and I think the probability of that working out at State in the SEC West with a 1 year guy is much less.

As for those other teams, it contributed to MSU, Arkansas, and Missouri firing their coaches. I think we definitely started the wrong guy but that's a separate discussion. The rest of the teams had pretty horrific years, so I don't think you can argue the portal "helped" them. I bet a lot of those schools look back and realize they could have just tried to groom a young guy and ended up with the same results, and now they are back at square one. Miami's best QB is transferring because they botched their situation and now are getting portal happy with King.

I just think the new QB transfer portal is intriguing for a quick fix, but that intrigue is driven by the success the blue bloods have had with it. For the most part, its bred complete shit shows at mid to lower range schools.

IMO We cancelled Brice’s visit in order to prove to Costello that We are 100 percent committed to him. Leach will seal the deal tonight and Costello will commit soon. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

IMO We cancelled Brice’s visit in order to prove to Costello that We are 100 percent committed to him. Leach will seal the deal tonight and Costello will commit soon. Just my opinion.

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Thursday night rather

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

IMO We cancelled Brice’s visit in order to prove to Costello that We are 100 percent committed to him. Leach will seal the deal tonight and Costello will commit soon. Just my opinion.

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The kiss of death.... alright who's next on our list?******

Just messing with ya preacher lol. What you're saying does make sense though. I just don't see Brice cancelling the visit. I think it had to be on our end and why would we do that to our back-up plan out of nowhere if we weren't highly confident in landing Costello? Just wouldn't make a ton of sense.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

My thoughts are WSU with Minshew is the exception and not the norm, and I think the probability of that working out at State in the SEC West with a 1 year guy is much less.

As for those other teams, it contributed to MSU, Arkansas, and Missouri firing their coaches. I think we definitely started the wrong guy but that's a separate discussion. The rest of the teams had pretty horrific years, so I don't think you can argue the portal "helped" them. I bet a lot of those schools look back and realize they could have just tried to groom a young guy and ended up with the same results, and now they are back at square one. Miami's best QB is transferring because they botched their situation and now are getting portal happy with King.

I just think the new QB transfer portal is intriguing for a quick fix, but that intrigue is driven by the success the blue bloods have had with it. For the most part, its bred complete shit shows at mid to lower range schools.

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Meh, just like anything, it works with the right guy and doesn't with the wrong guy. The difference is that blue bloods have their pick of whichever guy they deemed to be the "right guy", while programs like us, mizzou, wvu, etc. usually don't have that luxury. We can identify the "right guy" just like a blue blood, but pulling the "right guy" ain't as easy as identifying the "right guy". You have the wrong mindset if you are against the idea of taking or not taking guys through the transfer portal without considering all the various factors that go into whether any given guy would actually work out. Last year, I understand why joevester made the gamble on Stevens, and honestly, until he got hurt against USM, I thought he looked pretty good throwing the ball. Against K-state, he was missing wide open WRs, not because of the defense or an inability to throw the ball, just cause he was playing hurt. Shit snowballed from there (further injury, panic/forcing things, improved competition ready to take advantage, etc), but that stuff didn't happen cause Stevens was a transfer, it was a confluence of circumstances unrelated to being a transfer QB.

Nevermind that Costello is far more proven than Stevens. Shit, he's far more proven than all but a handful of QBs in the country period.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

My thoughts are WSU with Minshew is the exception and not the norm, and I think the probability of that working out at State in the SEC West with a 1 year guy is much less.

As for those other teams, it contributed to MSU, Arkansas, and Missouri firing their coaches. I think we definitely started the wrong guy but that's a separate discussion. The rest of the teams had pretty horrific years, so I don't think you can argue the portal "helped" them. I bet a lot of those schools look back and realize they could have just tried to groom a young guy and ended up with the same results, and now they are back at square one. Miami's best QB is transferring because they botched their situation and now are getting portal happy with King.

I just think the new QB transfer portal is intriguing for a quick fix, but that intrigue is driven by the success the blue bloods have had with it. For the most part, its bred complete shit shows at mid to lower range schools.

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I think the portal can help people like Shrader develop by giving them time to develop and learn. I've seen some MSU QB's start out really well only to lose their confidence in the SEC while they take their lumps- usually end up being benched only to make a small comeback once the next young guy gets benched after he loses his confidence.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Meh, just like anything, it works with the right guy and doesn't with the wrong guy. The difference is that blue bloods have their pick of whichever guy they deemed to be the "right guy", while programs like us, mizzou, wvu, etc. usually don't have that luxury. We can identify the "right guy" just like a blue blood, but pulling the "right guy" ain't as easy as identifying the "right guy". You have the wrong mindset if you are against the idea of taking or not taking guys through the transfer portal without considering all the various factors that go into whether any given guy would actually work out. Last year, I understand why joevester made the gamble on Stevens, and honestly, until he got hurt against USM, I thought he looked pretty good throwing the ball. Against K-state, he was missing wide open WRs, not because of the defense or an inability to throw the ball, just cause he was playing hurt. Shit snowballed from there (further injury, panic/forcing things, improved competition ready to take advantage, etc), but that stuff didn't happen cause Stevens was a transfer, it was a confluence of circumstances unrelated to being a transfer QB.

Nevermind that Costello is far more proven than Stevens. Shit, he's far more proven than all but a handful of QBs in the country period.

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I was going to say the same thing about Stevens being hurt. Joe should have never put him back out there until he was healthy. And I think it got into his head.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Meh, just like anything, it works with the right guy and doesn't with the wrong guy. The difference is that blue bloods have their pick of whichever guy they deemed to be the "right guy", while programs like us, mizzou, wvu, etc. usually don't have that luxury. We can identify the "right guy" just like a blue blood, but pulling the "right guy" ain't as easy as identifying the "right guy". You have the wrong mindset if you are against the idea of taking or not taking guys through the transfer portal without considering all the various factors that go into whether any given guy would actually work out. Last year, I understand why joevester made the gamble on Stevens, and honestly, until he got hurt against USM, I thought he looked pretty good throwing the ball. Against K-state, he was missing wide open WRs, not because of the defense or an inability to throw the ball, just cause he was playing hurt. Shit snowballed from there (further injury, panic/forcing things, improved competition ready to take advantage, etc), but that stuff didn't happen cause Stevens was a transfer, it was a confluence of circumstances unrelated to being a transfer QB.

Nevermind that Costello is far more proven than Stevens. Shit, he's far more proven than all but a handful of QBs in the country period.

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Not against it, I mentioned that earlier in the thread. Going by evidence so far, the transfer portal in general does not pan out great for programs like us.

I keep seeing people say Leach's visit is tonight. I believe it is Thursday night. So don't freak out when we don't hear anything in the next 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Anthony Gordon was a JUCO transfer as well. So his last 2 have been. Transfer QBs are being taken seriously and pursued by everybody at this point.

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Not sure a juco guy can be considered a transfer in the context of this conversation. Kinda like comparing apples and lava rocks for this conversation.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Not sure a juco guy can be considered a transfer in the context of this conversation. Kinda like comparing apples and lava rocks for this conversation.

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Not really. Still a guy who wasn't developed from the beginning in your program.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No doubt, but he has a MUCH better chance at a nice season to jump start his time here with Costello running his system than a dual threat QB or a true freshman.

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Not going to disagree with that.

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Originally Posted by Paldridge10

Leach is flying up for an in home visit with Costello today! Hopefully we get some commitment news soon! Opinions?

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But with Schrader, Mayden and Rogers, I'm having a difficult time understanding the urgency to get a transfer. Leach is known for doing pretty well with less talent and depth. We are talking about an initial season where the expectations for winning are around 6-7 with a possibility of 8-9 if the ball bounces our way.

The Stanford kid looks good on paper, I'll admit. But not so much so that not getting him is cause for any concern.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

But with Schrader, Mayden and Rogers, I'm having a difficult time understanding the urgency to get a transfer. Leach is known for doing pretty well with less talent and depth. We are talking about an initial season where the expectations for winning are around 6-7 with a possibility of 8-9 if the ball bounces our way.

The Stanford kid looks good on paper, I'll admit. But not so much so that not getting him is cause for any concern.

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When you have a chance to add a kid that has thrown for over 6K yards with 49TDs and only 17 Picks - averaging over 60% completion percentage vs. Two QBs who have never taken a college snap and one who has thrown for about 1K yards and had 8TDS and 5 picks and apparently has some growing up to do (This is per several posters on this board - not me); You take the known entity. Personally I think giving Shrader a year to learn the system and develop is perfect for his overall development.

I hope we land Costello and Shrader sees the same thing.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

But with Schrader, Mayden and Rogers, I'm having a difficult time understanding the urgency to get a transfer. Leach is known for doing pretty well with less talent and depth. We are talking about an initial season where the expectations for winning are around 6-7 with a possibility of 8-9 if the ball bounces our way.

The Stanford kid looks good on paper, I'll admit. But not so much so that not getting him is cause for any concern.

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That is a true sophomore that played a good bit, a Rs So (or maybe true Jr.; not sure if Mayde got to redshirt) that has basically has not played, and a true freshman. It's not as bad as it could be b/c Shrader got good experience this year, but it's not clear that Shrader fits what Leach wants to do at all or that Leach would have recruited either Mayden or Shrader. A one year stop gap could do a ton to ease the transition this first year.