2020 and 2021 may be rough

If we're closer to 3 than 9, that means you're calling a 5-7 record, which means we only win 2 out of Arkansas, @NC State, Missouri, @Kentucky, and Ole Miss, which would be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by tireddawg

Why are you debating it?

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I'm discussing it.

To believe we are going to win less than 6, you have to believe that Mike Leach will put an offense on the field that will be worse than Joe's

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm discussing it.

To believe we are going to win less than 6, you have to believe that Mike Leach will put an offense on the field that will be worse than Joe's

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Hell most of these 17ers probably wanted to keep sloppy joe. I'm going to believe in Leach until proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm discussing it.

To believe we are going to win less than 6, you have to believe that Mike Leach will put an offense on the field that will be worse than Joe's

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For the record I say 6 or 7. I also believe there may be a WTF loss .. or maybe 2. This ain't the 2018 team Leach is inheriting.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

Hell most of these 17ers probably wanted to keep sloppy joe. I'm going to believe in Leach until proven otherwise.

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Good lord you think COACH 34 wanted to keep Joe? You never saw me defend him this year either.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

For the record I say 6 or 7. I also believe there may be a WTF loss .. or maybe 2. This ain't the 2018 team Leach is inheriting.

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It's hard to know what exactly he is inheriting because they have been so poorly coached. Recruiting rankings wise he is inheriting the most talented roster MSU has ever fielded. It's hard to quantify that into actual talent when the guys have been coached by Moorhead for the past 2 years. Hopefully a culture shift and a much better coach will show immediate results.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If we're closer to 3 than 9, that means you're calling a 5-7 record, which means we only win 2 out of Arkansas, @NC State, Missouri, @Kentucky, and Ole Miss, which would be a disaster.

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The only gimme there is the Swine, at least it should be.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

Hell most of these 17ers probably wanted to keep sloppy joe. I'm going to believe in Leach until proven otherwise.

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Easy to tell someone to bet in Vegas or say you won big when there is no way for anyone to verify that. Betting each other is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Good lord you think COACH 34 wanted to keep Joe? You never saw me defend him this year either.

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I never said you or him wanted to keep Him.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

For the record I say 6 or 7. I also believe there may be a WTF loss .. or maybe 2. This ain't the 2018 team Leach is inheriting.

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The only games that would qualify as a WTF loss are New Mexico (won 8 games in 3 years, so not happening), Alabama A&M (SWAC), Arkansas (1 SEC win over the last 3 years, new coach, and in Starkville), and Tulane (most plausible on the list, but still very unlikely they come into Starkville and beat us)

It's very unlikely we have a WTF loss. If we miss a bowl, it's because we did poorly in the tossup/semi-tossups like Kentucky, Mizzou, Ole Miss, NC State.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The only gimme there is the Swine, at least it should be.

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Yeah, but it would be a big disappointment to go 1-3 or worse against the other 4. None of those teams are going to be very good next year.

Like, could Missouri come into Starkville and beat us? Sure, they've got a lot better chance than Tulane or Arkansas. But they probably won't. They are mediocre and have a lot less proven of a head coach than we do.

Could we lose to NC State? Sure, it's on the road and will be only our 2nd game against Leach. But nobody is going to pick a 4-8 ACC team to turn around and beat a 6-6 team the next year. It's not like they had a bunch of close unlucky losses - they were repeatedly blown out throughout 2019.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It's hard to know what exactly he is inheriting because they have been so poorly coached. Recruiting rankings wise he is inheriting the most talented roster MSU has ever fielded. It's hard to quantify that into actual talent when the guys have been coached by Moorhead for the past 2 years. Hopefully a culture shift and a much better coach will show immediate results.

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Maybe so from recruiting rankings but they ain't all very experienced Jrs and Srs with a Sr QB coming back. And they weren't developed by Mullen either.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It's hard to know what exactly he is inheriting because they have been so poorly coached. Recruiting rankings wise he is inheriting the most talented roster MSU has ever fielded. It's hard to quantify that into actual talent when the guys have been coached by Moorhead for the past 2 years. Hopefully a culture shift and a much better coach will show immediate results.

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This

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The only games that would qualify as a WTF loss are New Mexico (won 8 games in 3 years, so not happening), Alabama A&M (SWAC), Arkansas (1 SEC win over the last 3 years, new coach, and in Starkville), and Tulane (most plausible on the list, but still very unlikely they come into Starkville and beat us)

It's very unlikely we have a WTF loss. If we miss a bowl, it's because we did poorly in the tossup/semi-tossups like Kentucky, Mizzou, Ole Miss, NC State.

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I agree with this but I was calling WTF loss as one of your (and mine too) tossups. Most everyone calling 8 or 9 wins think those tossups are sure wins.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

This will be one of if not the easiest schedules we have had in my lifetime. If we suck it's because of other reasons. Not our schedule. It's hard to believe anyone would complain about playing a terrible Missouri team and Kentucky in the East with 4 awful non conference teams. Next year is set up to pad some wins if Leach has any pulse on offense. The defense will be improved from this year if we make a decent coordinator hire. Basically everyone that consistently played on defense last year outside of Leo, Rivers, and Cole is returning and we are adding some big time juco players. I expect 6-7 wins. 8 is in the picture if Leach can find a quarterback in year one. We are nowhere near a 3 win team talent wise. We have looked like shit because of our head coach, not talent. We have a higher recruiting profile than 8 teams on our schedule next year and we just hired a coach that has done more with less at every single place he's been at.

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Mizzou returns 19 starters
Kentucky returns 17 starters and we play at their place.
NC State returns 19 starters and we play at their place
A&M returns 17 starters

Those games are toss-ups at best. We likely lose 3 of 4 if not all 4

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm discussing it.

To believe we are going to win less than 6, you have to believe that Mike Leach will put an offense on the field that will be worse than Joe's

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It's not the O that I'm concerned about.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Mizzou returns 19 starters
Kentucky returns 17 starters and we play at their place.
NC State returns 19 starters and we play at their place
A&M returns 17 starters

Those games are toss-ups at best. We likely lose 3 of 4 if not all 4

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I doubt it unless everything falls apart.

Looks like you're thinking the program implodes

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If we're closer to 3 than 9, that means you're calling a 5-7 record, which means we only win 2 out of Arkansas, @NC State, Missouri, @Kentucky, and Ole Miss, which would be a disaster.

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We will be underdogs 3 out of those 5....We could easily lose NC State, Mizzou, and Kentucky

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Originally Posted by tireddawg

It's not the O that I'm concerned about.

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So it's not about growing pains then?

The DL will be better, the LBs will look like they did without Willie Gay, & the secondary will be young, but Dantzler pretty much decided to sit this season out anyway. Having Murphy for every game will help

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Mizzou returns 19 starters
Kentucky returns 17 starters and we play at their place.
NC State returns 19 starters and we play at their place
A&M returns 17 starters

Those games are toss-ups at best. We likely lose 3 of 4 if not all 4

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I'm counting TAM as a sure loss.

Regardless of what people think now ... Ky is a tossup every year at this point in our program until Leach rights the ship. Stoops has established a good culture and program there. I'm counting Ky as a loss cause it at their place.