One thing I can assure you...

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Originally Posted by Cloak

Stick to futbol, not football.

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I'm not worried about the futbol at the moment. We have the best manager in the world and have the best team in the world. I've been a fan for over 20 years and this is THE best team we have ever had and one of the best I've ever seen period. It's still a long way to go and the wheels can still come off, they have before, but I like where we are. Heck, we just beat Everton's first team with a bunch of kids playing.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Your memory is bad. or your argument sucks. Leach was only at UK for 2 years 97-98. He left to go to OU for the 99 season.... Kentucky was winning 9-24 in the 3 years before Mumme brought in the air raid.

Leach's offensive system is simple 6-8 plays out of multiple formations.

Probably will not beat Bama, but will win 7+ a year. Just like he was at TTU...

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I just want to be competitive again and not roll over after the first play of the game

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Your memory is bad. or your argument sucks. Leach was only at UK for 2 years 97-98. He left to go to OU for the 99 season.... Kentucky was winning 9-24 in the 3 years before Mumme brought in the air raid.

Leach's offensive system is simple 6-8 plays out of multiple formations.

Probably will not beat Bama, but will win 7+ a year. Just like he was at TTU...

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They ran the air raid and it imploded eventually. So 7+ a year is what y'all are after now? Glad to hear that! That's a return to sanity. Hopefully I'm wrong. I'll be very happy if I am.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I did NOT say that. I said that our personnel are much less suited to what he does than they were to what Joe unsuccessfully tried to do. It also does not mesh with our traditional recruiting strengths. This is absolutely the riskiest hire we could have made. I hope it works out. I'll be perfectly happy to be wrong.

I also find it hilarious that y'all like to dish it out, but you don't take it very well.

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We may not have the personnel yet if Leach absolutely doesn't adapt but ... Joe was trying to put together the very type of personnel that Leach seems to use in his offense from what I can tell. So neither coach would have the personnel next year and ... Leach will be able to coach them better without a doubt IMO.

I don't know how Leach will turn out ... we may find that it is as C34 says and if so, we'll know for sure then cause if Leach can't do it, odds are no one can.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

This was not close to a desperate hire. We just pulled a winning P5 coach who WSU was extending just last month...this is about far from desperate as you can get.

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Go look at who has hired him and their situations when they did.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Name one that lasted. I'm talking about full blown air raid. It didn't last when Leach was doing it as an assistant.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

They ran the air raid and it imploded eventually. So 7+ a year is what y'all are after now? Glad to hear that! That's a return to sanity. Hopefully I'm wrong. I'll be very happy if I am.

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You said 4.

Nut up big boy.

Which is it?

And it didn't last because Leach left. he went to OU and then TTU and won. A Lot.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

We may not have the personnel yet if Leach absolutely doesn't adapt but ... Joe was trying to put together the very type of personnel that Leach seems to use in his offense from what I can tell. So neither coach would have the personnel next year and ... Leach will be able to coach them better without a doubt IMO.

I don't know how Leach will turn out ... we may find that it is as C34 says and if so, we'll know for sure then cause if Leach can't do it, odds are no one can.

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No one but Leach? That's absurd. He may work out, hopefully he will, but that statement is just asinine.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No, I never mentioned the media at all. I said the impression it would make in the people that mattered would lead to a desperation type hire. It did. We will see about the players. In all honesty that probability doesn't matter as much now.

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Getting a proven Power 5 coach is a despation hire?

Holy shit you are delusional.


There were 3 SEC west vancacies.

One got an OL coach
One got a group of 5 coach
One got a POWER 5 coach. (For 2 programs, and was only fired at ttu due to a power trip)

And you say the POWER 5 hire was Desperation?

Then who was not a Desperation hire?

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Uh...you thought firing Moorehead would led to a huge out cry from the Media that we couldn?t do it, that didn?t happen. A rash of players wanting out of their LOI, that didn?t happen. And that we couldn?t get any coaches interested in our job, that really didn?t happen, we a ton of interested and was the only team to pull a sitting P5 coach this year.

Look, I?ve said my piece, it?s risky and we have seen others run a facsimile of his offense to failure at times. He is the originator though and a lot of times that makes all the difference to be a lot more successful. But this coming out like you thought...that?s just plain false and the posts are there to quote you.

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OUCH! Yep. So much is firing a coach after two years and not being able to hire a good one.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Getting a proven Power 5 coach is a despation hire?

Holy shit you are delusional.


There were 3 SEC west vancacies.

One got an OL coach
One got a group of 5 coach
One got a POWER 5 coach. (For 2 programs, and was only fired at ttu due to a power trip)

And you say the POWER 5 hire was Desperation?

Then who was not a Desperation hire?

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More facts.

I wanted a youngish guy. A good disciplinarian. Someone whose scheme fits the kind of personnel we have got pretty much since I have been alive. Someone who runs the football at least as much as he throws it. Someone who stresses and places priority on good defense. Leach literally checks NONE of those boxes. That's why I'm so down right now.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Texas Tech 10 years 84-43

OU 2000-2019

OSU

UH 2003-2019

The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 2007-now...

WVU 2011-2018 61-41

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EXACTLY. I bet you won't get THAT.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

You said 4.

Nut up big boy.

Which is it?

And it didn't last because Leach left. he went to OU and then TTU and won. A Lot.

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You need to learn how to read.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Getting a proven Power 5 coach is a despation hire?

Holy shit you are delusional.


There were 3 SEC west vancacies.

One got an OL coach
One got a group of 5 coach
One got a POWER 5 coach. (For 2 programs, and was only fired at ttu due to a power trip)

And you say the POWER 5 hire was Desperation?

Then who was not a Desperation hire?

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Leach has always been a desperation hire. Look at who has hired him and what they were when they hired him. Hopefully it will work in the SEC West.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No one but Leach? That's absurd. He may work out, hopefully he will, but that statement is just asinine.

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I said if Leach can't run a drop back passing game at MSU (if he sticks totally with that) then Joe damn sure can't and most anyone else can't either. We are definitely a power spread team if that is the case and someone like Mullen needs to show up.

The reason I said that is cause Leach is a more with less coach. We don't know that Brady is a more with less, or Emsfinger, and Saban damn sure ain't. Dabo is ... Mullen is ... and there are probably a handful of others.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I wanted a youngish guy. A good disciplinarian. Someone whose scheme fits the kind of personnel we have got pretty much since I have been alive. Someone who runs the football at least as much as he throws it. Someone who stresses and places priority on good defense. Leach literally checks NONE of those boxes. That's why I'm so down right now.

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I cannot fathom the 'personnel' posts. This is f'n college ball. Most players are on the field for like 2 years, at most. Personnel changes very fast.

As far as us never historically having the personnel for this- well, we've never had a coach that runs a system like this, so why would we have ever recruited the personnel for it? Dude has just gotten off the plane and some of y'all are already deciding he won't be able to find some kids that can catch and throw the ball? His last star QB is literally FROM MISSISSIPPI. I think he may be able to find another one now that he's not a thousand miles away.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Leach has always been a desperation hire. Look at who has hired him and what they were when they hired him. Hopefully it will work in the SEC West.

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Oh, Arkansas is Arkansas. The group of 5 guy was even more a desperation hire than ours was. They tried to get Leach too. ONCE AGAIN: EXACTLY.

Speaking of Arkansas. Case study in the wrong personnel for a pass happy offense. Now I don't THINK our personnel will clash THAT bad with Leach's system. Joe was at least trying to recruit differently. Hopefully it will help.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

I cannot fathom the 'personnel' posts. This is f'n college ball. Most players are on the field for like 2 years, at most. Personnel changes very fast.

As far as us never historically having the personnel for this- well, we've never had a coach that runs a system like this, so why would we have ever recruited the personnel for it? Dude has just gotten off the plane and some of y'all are already deciding he won't be able to find some kids that can catch and throw the ball? His last star QB is literally FROM MISSISSIPPI. I think he may be able to find another one now that he's not a thousand miles away.

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It's the main reason Joe failed. We have been bitching repeatedly ( and I'll say it now that he is gone, rightly so) about Joe not adapting to what we had. Do you think Leach will?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I said if Leach can't run a drop back passing game at MSU (if he sticks totally with that) then Joe damn sure can't and most anyone else can't either. We are definitely a power spread team if that is the case and someone like Mullen needs to show up.

The reason I said that is cause Leach is a more with less coach. We don't know that Brady is a more with less, or Emsfinger, and Saban damn sure ain't. Dabo is ... Mullen is ... and there are probably a handful of others.

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Agree on that...…except that there are other, better, coaches than Leach who could make it work here. Now getting them here is another story. Also, Dabo is NOT more with less. Those are damn talented teams.