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11-30-2019, 06:39 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'm laughing at you. You sound exactly like those Ole Miss idiots trying to convince themselves that LSU is their Real rival and the Egg. Bowl doesn't matter. You and your buddies.are exactly like them. Th FACT is that to 99% of our fan base the Egg Bowl is and always will matter more than any other game. That is how it should be. It IS the most important game, for many reasons. It IS the first and most important measuring stick. Anyone that denies that is delusional, in several different ways. Unlike you miserable people I'm pretty dang happy and enjoying life today. I haven't had but one our two Rebs even mention the game to me, and those only to say how embarrassed they are over what happened. It wouldn't be that way if they had won. I've never seen them this quiet after the Egg EVER. It's glorious.

Don't ever complain about mediocrity then, especially when mediocrity is your measuring stick.
11-30-2019, 06:43 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I bet you pay really well too.

wtf does this even mean, much less have ot do with the mans' points?

Moorhead took a top 15 team (finished '17 #17 and returned a ton = top 15) and went 8-5, now he took a 8-4 team and went 6-6, and we have zero reason to believe things will get better. Is that not "mediocre"? So if a person is fine with 6-6/7-5, that person is fine with mediocrity by definition.

Now if you believe Joe will turn it around and do better than 6-6/7-5 then keeping him makes sense. But you haven't said you think he'll do better, ye you're attacking everyone who isn't happy with a 6-6 coach. We aren't ok with mediocrity and we don't think Joe will do better than Mediocre based on what we've seen. Either convince us he will do better than mediocre, or convince us we should be happy with mediocre for the long term. Otherwise, it's rational to fire a mediocre coach
11-30-2019, 06:46 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Yep I do thank you for noticing.

I figured you would have to.
11-30-2019, 06:46 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

wtf does this even mean, much less have ot do with the mans' points?

Moorhead took a top 15 team (finished '17 #17 and returned a ton = top 15) and went 8-5, now he took a 8-4 team and went 6-6, and we have zero reason to believe things will get better. Is that not "mediocre"? So if a person is fine with 6-6/7-5, that person is fine with mediocrity by definition.

Now if you believe Joe will turn it around and do better than 6-6/7-5 then keeping him makes sense. But you haven't said you think he'll do better, ye you're attacking everyone who isn't happy with a 6-6 coach. We aren't ok with mediocrity and we don't think Joe will do better than Mediocre based on what we've seen. Either convince us he will do better than mediocre, or convince us we should be happy with mediocre for the long term. Otherwise, it's rational to fire a mediocre coach

Well said.
11-30-2019, 06:47 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I figured you would have to.

You don't know anything about me man. You're getting personal now. I never made it personal with you so take a hike with your bs
11-30-2019, 06:48 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It's unreal.

I'm speechless as well. Everyone that's ever played a sport at a high level realizes that this is an absolute dead end.

Complete mismanagement all around.

I thought Cohen was a terrible hire when we hired him as AD.
11-30-2019, 06:49 PM
maroonmania

Look, from everything we are hearing, this is much more about 6+ million dollars than the EB. But, I agree, that had we lost the EB coming up with 6+ million dollars would have been much easier plus Joe would have settled for much less in that case.
11-30-2019, 06:53 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

wtf does this even mean, much less have ot do with the mans' points?

Moorhead took a top 15 team (finished '17 #17 and returned a ton = top 15) and went 8-5, now he took a 8-4 team and went 6-6, and we have zero reason to believe things will get better. Is that not "mediocre"? So if a person is fine with 6-6/7-5, that person is fine with mediocrity by definition.

Now if you believe Joe will turn it around and do better than 6-6/7-5 then keeping him makes sense. But you haven't said you think he'll do better, ye you're attacking everyone who isn't happy with a 6-6 coach. We aren't ok with mediocrity and we don't think Joe will do better than Mediocre based on what we've seen. Either convince us he will do better than mediocre, or convince us we should be happy with mediocre for the long term. Otherwise, it's rational to fire a mediocre coach

Where have you seen me defend Moorhead this year? You haven't. That isn't the only thing that you have to consider when firing a coach in his second year when he is not well below .500. It isn't as simple as y'all want it to be. If it was I wouldn't be arguing with you. All this public whining and bashing is just making it that much harder to get to where we want to go, no matter who the coach is. I wish y'all would cool off and let things play out the way they have to play out....but y'all won't. Y'all won't stop with the tantrums till you get your way, and then other people will have to try to undo the damage you have done, all while listing to y'all bitch about how long it's taking. Same old state.
11-30-2019, 06:54 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Look, from everything we are hearing, this is much more about 6+ million dollars than the EB. But, I agree, that had we lost the EB coming up with 6+ million dollars would have been much easier.

I posted this a while back. This board doesn't want to hear that. They still think I'm defending Joe.
11-30-2019, 06:55 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Look, from everything we are hearing, this is much more about 6+ million dollars than the EB. But, I agree, that had we lost the EB coming up with 6+ million dollars would have been much easier.

Okay, he's what I don't understand.

Does Joe Moorhead want out of Starkville? Did he accept a negotiated buyout before the EB to leave?

If the answer is "yes" then why are we keeping and extending a coach that was set to start packing his bags?

That makes ZERO sense.
11-30-2019, 06:59 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Okay, he's what I don't understand.

Does Joe Moorhead want out of Starkville? Did he accept a negotiated buyout before the EB to leave?

If the answer is "yes" then why are we keeping and extending a coach that was set to start packing his bags?

That makes ZERO sense.

I'm am 99% convinced he hates the place. There just ain't any parachute right now for him. What will be interesting is if he puts he head down, works his ass off, and produces a pretty good product next year. If he do that, everyone will love him again and then ... the parachute appears and he says FU on the way out.
11-30-2019, 07:00 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

You don't know anything about me man. You're getting personal now. I never made it personal with you so take a hike with your bs

You brought up how you treat employees, not me. Like you said I know nothing about you. If you do what you said you did my cm,ent was I expect you have to pay really well. I never would have even commented on it if you hadn't brought it up first. If you don't want stuff commented in, don't bring it up. You put it in play yourself.
11-30-2019, 07:01 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You brought up how you treat employees, not me. Like you said I know nothing about you. If you do what you said you did my cm,ent was I expect you have to pay really well. I never would have even commented on it if you hadn't brought it up first. If you don't want stuff commented in, don't bring it up. You put it in play yourself.

You came at me first calling my post dumb and insane. Take a hike
11-30-2019, 07:03 PM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I'm am 99% convinced he hates the place. There just ain't any parachute right now for him. What will be interesting is if he puts he head down, works his ass off, and produces a pretty good product next year. If he do that, everyone will love him again and then ... the parachute appears and he says FU on the way out.

I don’t think he can win everyone back without an exceptional season and we all know he just doesn’t have that in him. Croom wasn’t hated by as many fans as Moorhead is right now and that’s saying something.
11-30-2019, 07:04 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Okay, he's what I don't understand.

Does Joe Moorhead want out of Starkville? Did he accept a negotiated buyout before the EB to leave?

If the answer is "yes" then why are we keeping and extending a coach that was set to start packing his bags?

That makes ZERO sense.

He obviously had not. Somebody posted something they thought they knew. My guess is somebody they thought had good info told them that. This board, and others, took it an ran with it because they so wanted it to happen. Whoever put that out to begin with, and I don't think it actually originated with who first posted it, has done some real damage. Had it not got out who knows what might have happened.
11-30-2019, 07:09 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

You came at me first calling my post dumb and insane. Take a hike

Don't bring it up if you don't want it talked about. You, and many others, have been doing the same thing to me. It's a message board I don't mind at all. I expect it. I know my take is not popular here. It doesn't bother me.
11-30-2019, 07:11 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Don't bring it up if you don't want it talked about. You, and many others, have been doing the same thing to me. It's a message board I don't mind at all. I expect it. I know my take is not popular here. It doesn't bother me.

I have not said a single damn thing to you so drop that shit right now.I have not commented on one of your posts first. You came at me. I never attack anyone on here like you do. I'm here for discussions not personal attacks.
11-30-2019, 07:16 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Where have you seen me defend Moorhead this year? You haven't. That isn't the only thing that you have to consider when firing a coach in his second year when he is not well below .500. It isn't as simple as y'all want it to be. If it was I wouldn't be arguing with you. All this public whining and bashing is just making it that much harder to get to where we want to go, no matter who the coach is. I wish y'all would cool off and let things play out the way they have to play out....but y'all won't. Y'all won't stop with the tantrums till you get your way, and then other people will have to try to undo the damage you have done, all while listing to y'all bitch about how long it's taking. Same old state.

Ahhh so NOW we're getting somewhere!

SO you believe that we can't fire a 6-6 coach in year 2. Why not? Do you believe we couldn't get a good coach to replace him if we did that? That's not true since we supposedly had Napier ready to sign a deal. Do you fear the national media's reaction? Why should we care?

I'm really not seing the problem with firing 6-6 Joe. If you have the money to do it, the AD and boosters who want to do it, and a new coach willing to take over, then yes, yes you can. Can you explain what's so complicated about this? Why we should fear some ESPN guys saying we didn't give Joe enough time? Why should we not be OK with Napier as a replacement?
11-30-2019, 07:17 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

I don’t think he can win everyone back without an exceptional season and we all know he just doesn’t have that in him. Croom wasn’t hated by as many fans as Moorhead is right now and that’s saying something.

You right about that. Not sure I've ever seen a coach as disliked at MSU as Moorhead is.
11-30-2019, 07:18 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He obviously had not. Somebody posted something they thought they knew. My guess is somebody they thought had good info told them that. This board, and others, took it an ran with it because they so wanted it to happen. Whoever put that out to begin with, and I don't think it actually originated with who first posted it, has done some real damage. Had it not got out who knows what might have happened.

And you don't know shit either.

I want to know if Joe ******* Moorhead wanted out of Starkville. If we brought back a head coach who wanted to leave we deserve every bit of the shit that happens nect year.

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