Let's not screw this up, we have to hire Billy Napier, regardless of the EB result...

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11-21-2019, 08:42 AM
timotheus

Joe say run plays are explosive and fancy........
11-21-2019, 08:58 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Here's something interesting for recruiting purposes.

He was born in Tennessee, grew up and played football in Georgia, coached with Saban in Alabama for 5 years, and has now been a HC in Louisiana for 2 years. Most of our out of state recruits come from these states.

Had look that one up. Napier played for his dad at Murray County HS, and they were pretty dang good in the mid-late 90s under them - won 3 Region titles in 10 years in AAA, one with Billy as QB. That was tough region back then with Dalton, Cedartown, & the Whitfield county schools
11-21-2019, 09:01 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Can't believe I'm typing this, but should we call jim mcelwain? He did a good job at Colorado st, seemed to be doing ok at florida before the wheels came off year 3, and now in his first year there he's improved central Michigan's 1-11 (0-8) last year to 7-4 (5-2).

Improvements from last year to this season in conf...
(12 team conference)
Scoring offense: 12th to 4th
Total offense: 12th to 3rd
Yds/play: 12th to 4th

If he beats Toledo and western Michigan loses to northern Illinois, McE will have taken winless central Michigan last year to a championship game this year. He's been good

I've thought McE was good but was perplexed at lack of O at FL. Then he turned nutcase. So not a fan anymore. I still think he can coach tho.
11-21-2019, 09:17 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I've thought McE was good but was perplexed at lack of O at FL. Then he turned nutcase. So not a fan anymore. I still think he can coach tho.

I was very underwhelmed with him at Florida, but I am impressed with him this year. He wouldn't be my first choice, but if we got turned down a couple times, maybe
11-21-2019, 09:18 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

We could have thrown 0 passes in 2018 and went 11-1

With the all time leading rushing QB in the SEC, a RB who ran for over 1,000 yards the year before, and two Oline that are starting in the NFL this year. Jenkins right now is statistically the best interior Olineman in the NFL. It is Croom level offensive coaching in 2018 with that talent. We could have probably ran 15-20 different plays and won at least 10 games as long as we ran the read option and not the bullshit RPO that Joe wants to run.
11-21-2019, 09:22 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I was very underwhelmed with him at Florida, but I am impressed with him this year. He wouldn't be my first choice, but if we got turned down a couple times, maybe

I personally would pick Hud as a fallback option but I wouldn't be opposed to McE. He already has proven that he will 17 over sharks so he has that going already.
11-21-2019, 09:34 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

We could have thrown 0 passes in 2018 and went 11-1

No we couldn?t. But Napier was fired at Clemson because he went to power formations and got away from the spread passing game that Dabo wanted. He and Dabo got into it over it and Dabo repeatedly changed the offensive calls. Now, everyone can say Napier was only 30, but he?s doing the same things at ULL. He?s just in a conference where he can get away with it.
There?s concern with him in regards to his ability to create a quality passing attack. All coaches will have concerns. But if Cohen believes we need a passing game (we do), then I question this direction. There are no “Homeruns” for us.
11-21-2019, 09:37 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No we couldn?t. But Napier was fired at Clemson because he went to power formations and got away from the spread passing game that Dabo wanted. He and Dabo got into it over it and Dabo repeatedly changed the offensive calls. Now, everyone can say Napier was only 30, but he?s doing the same things at ULL. He?s just in a conference where he can get away with it.
There?s concern with him in regards to his ability to create a quality passing attack.

We will never out athlete LSU and Bama at the skill positions. Clemson can get skill position players that we can't.
11-21-2019, 09:42 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No we couldn?t. But Napier was fired at Clemson because he went to power formations and got away from the spread passing game that Dabo wanted. He and Dabo got into it over it and Dabo repeatedly changed the offensive calls. Now, everyone can say Napier was only 30, but he?s doing the same things at ULL. He?s just in a conference where he can get away with it.
There?s concern with him in regards to his ability to create a quality passing attack. All coaches will have concerns. But if Cohen believes we need a passing game (we do), then I question this direction. There are no “Homeruns” for us.

We aren’t looking for a quality passing attack. We aren’t interested. That’s not what we will ever be at State. And all these teams doing it now.....guess what? They will all be going back away from it soon. It’s what happens in football. They will be forced to change back.
11-21-2019, 10:16 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

We aren’t looking for a quality passing attack. We aren’t interested. That’s not what we will ever be at State. And all these teams doing it now.....guess what? They will all be going back away from it soon. It’s what happens in football. They will be forced to change back.

Disagree. If 7 wins a year is your goal, then great. But to advance, our offense must advance as well. Football has become more of a passing game. That’s not changing anytime soon. And if OM can recruit good WRs, there’s no excuse for us. Hell, most HS teams in MS now run the spread. Look at all the MS kids we missed on at WR.
11-21-2019, 10:20 AM
vv83

Wow I'm sold. Go get him
11-21-2019, 10:20 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No we couldn?t. But Napier was fired at Clemson because he went to power formations and got away from the spread passing game that Dabo wanted. He and Dabo got into it over it and Dabo repeatedly changed the offensive calls. Now, everyone can say Napier was only 30, but he?s doing the same things at ULL. He?s just in a conference where he can get away with it.
There?s concern with him in regards to his ability to create a quality passing attack. All coaches will have concerns. But if Cohen believes we need a passing game (we do), then I question this direction. There are no “Homeruns” for us.

The year before when he was OC they scored more points in their history, at that time. They definitely had a bad 2nd year, no question and it was the right move by Dabo. But you can find a bad year for nearly every coach like that. Growth happens and he is doing what his personnel dictates at ULL. That’s a positive not a negative like you make it out to be. He threw a lot more at ASU.

The home run hire is a false measuring stick. Chip Kelly was the home run hire for UCLA 2 years ago...doesn’t mean jack until games are played. We don’t need home runs right now. We need a consistent hitter who has power potential to stabilize the program. There are no guarantees...LSU wasn’t guaranteed the type of success when they hire Saban. He had only one good year at Michigan St. The rest were .500 years and his seat was getting warm. Dantonio did a much better job than Saban their. But Saban grew as a HC during that time.
11-21-2019, 10:21 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Disagree. If 7 wins a year is your goal, then great. But to advance, our offense must advance as well. Football has become more of a passing game. That’s not changing anytime soon. And if OM can recruit good WRs, there’s no excuse for us. Hell, most HS teams in MS now run the spread. Look at all the MS we missed on at WR.

OM had 2 of the best WRs in the country last year, and won 5 games. We had no WRs and a totally incompetent coach, and won 8 with a roster built on defense and running the ball
11-21-2019, 10:26 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by msstate7

OM had 2 of the best WRs in the country last year, and won 5 games. We had no WRs and a totally incompetent coach, and won 8 with a roster built on defense and running the ball

Because they had no defense, primarily. And they lost one of those great WRs to injury. They scored in most games. They couldn’t stop anybody.
And I’m not for throwing it every down. But you have to have a legitimate passing game. We haven’t had much at all since 2015.
11-21-2019, 10:30 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Because they had no defense, primarily. And they lost one of those great WRs to injury. They scored in most games. They couldn’t stop anybody.
And I’m not for throwing it every down. But you have to have a legitimate passing game. We haven’t had much at all since 2015.

They were 10th in the conference in scoring in conf-only games. I didn't even mention lodge and Moore or their nfl te, Knox.
11-21-2019, 10:35 AM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Can't believe I'm typing this, but should we call jim mcelwain? He did a good job at Colorado st, seemed to be doing ok at florida before the wheels came off year 3, and now in his first year there he's improved central Michigan's 1-11 (0-8) last year to 7-4 (5-2).

Improvements from last year to this season in conf...
(12 team conference)
Scoring offense: 12th to 4th
Total offense: 12th to 3rd
Yds/play: 12th to 4th

If he beats Toledo and western Michigan loses to northern Illinois, McE will have taken winless central Michigan last year to a championship game this year. He's been good

I figured he'd end up at OM since he loves sharks so much..*
11-21-2019, 10:37 AM
msstate7

OM lost aj, Metcalf, Knox, little, Patterson, lodge, and 5-0 (5 drafted, 2 UFA) from last year's offense, and they're up to 5th in sec only games scoring from 10th last year by going to a run first offense
11-21-2019, 10:38 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by msstate7

OM lost aj, Metcalf, Knox, little, Patterson, lodge, and 5-0 (5 drafted, 2 UFA) from last year's offense, and they're up to 5th in sec only games scoring from 10th last year by going to a run first offense

And they’ve won 4 games, with a better defense.
Got to have some balance. You can’t be one dimensional without far superior talent.
11-21-2019, 10:41 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And they’ve won 4 games, with a better defense.

So if they kept throwing it and scored less, they'd be better off. Makes sense
11-21-2019, 10:43 AM
NWADAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Dang, that was probably the best sell for a coach I've ever read on a message board.

Napier obviously thinks ahead too. He planted his agent on here 571 posts ago so that he could become one of us and petition from the inside.

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