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11-19-2019, 10:57 AM
Tbonewannabe

I hope we beat them by a FG but it is because we had like 3 pick 6s.
11-19-2019, 11:00 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

If our offense just stayed pat from 2017, we win 10 games. We averaged 26.3 points per game in conference in 2017 and returned a vast majority of our scoring and knew Hill was ready to run and add to our offense. In fact 26 points in every conference last year gives us an 11-1 regular season record with only losing to Kentucky as they scored 28.

Maybe, but we still couldn't pass the ball. That became more and more apparent over the THREE years. Our receiving corps was NOT good last year and it's not much better (if any) this year. It's easy to stop the run for decent defenses when you know you really don't have to worry about the pass. That's been the common denominator since 2015. If we can't run it on you, we struggle.
11-19-2019, 11:01 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

There's a number of folks with big checkbooks that completely fell off the fence after the ut debacle and the snowball has only gotten larger with the other crap shows he's produced since then. The embarrassing way we've played this year has pissed off a lot of people. Even winning the Egg may not save him. It's a waiting game at this point.

He was referring to Joe possibly leaving on his own.
11-19-2019, 11:02 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Let’s not be ridiculous here. You can be super skeptical of Joe and still want us to win the Egg Bowl. Those two things can exist simultaneously, unlike what some would lead you to believe.

Joe has issues, and I personally think he will eventually be fired. But I’m not so jaded to the point that I think it’s impossible that he could ever do a good job here. An Egg Bowl loss would probably be the nail in the coffin for me, but at 6-6 with an Egg Bowl win I feel like is not just this inexcusably bad season. It’s not what I would call good, and there will still be pressure on him next year, but I think it’s only fair to root for him to win out this year and prove us wrong next year. If it doesn’t work out, we will move on. But I am not convinced we have reached the point of no return yet. An Egg Bowl loss would probably do it, but I’m not going actively root for that to happen.

I‘ll never root for an OM win. Can’t do it, makes me sick to think about it. But if beating a 4-7 team makes the mess of the other 23 games ease your mind, your bar is set way way too low or it’s because it’s OM. If it takes beating a losing team, then he is not the guy. It really doesn’t help him because of the track record of the other horrid preparations and game plans.
11-19-2019, 11:03 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He was referring to Joe possibly leaving on his own.

My bad.
11-19-2019, 11:04 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You forgot we also returned another 1,000 yard back in Aeris, and that was nearly a fireable offense in his misuse or should I say un-use last season. We legitimately had the potential for 3 1,000 yard rushers last season and man staying on that would have opened up the pass game so more for us throughout the year. But it’s done now

And we couldn't pass the ball consistently. I don't care who you have blocking and running the ball. In modern football if you don't have a credible passing threat good defenses WILL stop you. That is what happened the last thee years.
11-19-2019, 11:06 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Maybe, but we still couldn't pass the ball. That became more and more apparent over the THREE years. Our receiving corps was NOT good last year and it's not much better (if any) this year. It's easy to stop the run for decent defenses when you know you really don't have to worry about the pass. That's been the common denominator since 2015. If we can't run it on you, we struggle.

And yet we won 9 in 2017...I hear what you are saying but we didn’t have the passing in 2017 but we still scored 26 points per game in conference. Just stay at the margin and we win a min of 10 games last year. Passing or not we win 10 games min. LSU was 19-3, that’s a win and we blew them out in 2017 running the ball. Florida...26 points was plenty to beat them. Heck we didn’t need 26 points to beat LSU and Florida last year.
11-19-2019, 11:08 AM
ShotgunDawg

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11-19-2019, 11:20 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

And we couldn't pass the ball consistently. I don't care who you have blocking and running the ball. In modern football if you don't have a credible passing threat good defenses WILL stop you. That is what happened the last thee years.

In 2017 we passed it effectively against anyone not named Ga & AU, which the Ga D was better than any this year except Clemson & OSU may be close to as good. The AU D was probably a top 5 this year. That was with all Jrs. I believe they would have progressed to be better in 2018 with another year of experience and also the only D that rivaled those 2 Ds in SEC last year was our D. We played no Ds that rivaled those 2 last year. Plus, we dropped Ga for a much lesser FL team. When you have a FItz/Aeris combo, you can set up the pass better. Aeris pass blocking helped too.
11-19-2019, 11:26 AM
Captain Falcon

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I‘ll never root for an OM win. Can’t do it, makes me sick to think about it. But if beating a 4-7 team makes the mess of the other 23 games ease your mind, your bar is set way way too low or it’s because it’s OM. If it takes beating a losing team, then he is not the guy. It really doesn’t help him because of the track record of the other horrid preparations and game plans.

Beating Ole Miss doesn’t change the fact that next year is high pressure for Joe. But to get fired after two years you have to be a total disaster (see Chad Morris and Wille Taggart). At 6-6, it’s still a disappointing year, but I don’t think it’s a DEFCON 1, have to fire him right now situation. It leaves the door cracked just enough to think that perhaps there’s a chance next year will be better with no tutor gate and a clear commitment to one guy at QB.
11-19-2019, 11:28 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

In 2017 we passed it effectively against anyone not named Ga & AU, which the Ga D was better than any this year except Clemson & OSU may be close to as good. The AU D was probably a top 5 this year. That was with all Jrs. I believe they would have progressed to be better in 2018 with another year of experience and also the only D that rivaled those 2 Ds in SEC last year was our D. We played no Ds that rivaled those 2 last year. Plus, we dropped Ga for a much lesser FL team. When you have a FItz/Aeris combo, you can set up the pass better. Aeris pass blocking helped too.

Ok, what ever makes you feel better.
11-19-2019, 11:29 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

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Are you still an Ole Miss fan?
11-19-2019, 11:33 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Beating Ole Miss doesn’t change the fact that next year is high pressure for Joe. But to get fired after two years you have to be a total disaster (see Chad Morris and Wille Taggart). At 6-6, it’s still a disappointing year, but I don’t think it’s a DEFCON 1, have to fire him right now situation. It leaves the door cracked just enough to think that perhaps there’s a chance next year will be better with no tutor gate and a clear commitment to one guy at QB.

They fired Taggert at 4-5, Moorehead is 4-6. FSU knew last year was a rebuild and that is Moorehead’s only advantage. He miss managed a much much better team in 2018. Otherwise they are about the same. They still may go to a bowl game while firing their coach mid-season.

I’m sorry there has been nothing for 2 years and 22 games that shows next year will be better and beating a 4-7 team won’t change that either. Your bar is way too low
11-19-2019, 11:48 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

There's a number of folks with big checkbooks that completely fell off the fence after the ut debacle and the snowball has only gotten larger with the other crap shows he's produced since then. The embarrassing way we've played this year has pissed off a lot of people. Even winning the Egg may not save him. It's a waiting game at this point.

This is spot on. The only sure thing at this point is if we lose. If we win..... who knows. Could go either way.
11-19-2019, 11:49 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

They fired Taggert at 4-5, Moorehead is 4-6. FSU knew last year was a rebuild and that is Moorehead’s only advantage. He miss managed a much much better team in 2018. Otherwise they are about the same. They still may go to a bowl game while firing their coach mid-season.

I’m sorry there has been nothing for 2 years and 22 games that shows next year will be better and beating a 4-7 team won’t change that either. Your bar is way too low

I'm going to say something that will get me blasted. It sucks, but it is the TRUTH. We ain't Florida State. There is the rub. Us doing it will not be perceived the same way as them doing it. People are going to bring up Arkansas as well. Their team this year might be the worst SEC team in the last 40 years, and they were almost as bad last year. It would be between them and Tech and 10 here. We aren't even the worst team THIS year. They won't be perceived like we will be either.
11-19-2019, 11:51 AM
DeputyDawg94

I absolutely do not want to lose to those jerks. I can?t root for that. I agree that if we lose it helps joe out the door much faster which would be 17n great. But as I said in another thread, if we are going to lose I hope it?s a skull 17ing between 2 dumpster fires on a sinking ship that?s on fire type bad so there is no doubt what needs to happen. I do agree that losing is best for the future of the program unless he?s leaving on his own which is what I think happens. He ain?t happy here and we ain?t happy with him here, and he knows a majority of state fans want him gone. But damn its gonna suck to lose to those jackasses.
11-19-2019, 11:56 AM
Pipedream

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'm going to say something that will get me blasted. It sucks, but it is the TRUTH. We ain't Florida State. There is the rub. Us doing it will not be perceived the same way as them doing it. People are going to bring up Arkansas as well. Their team this year might be the worst SEC team in the last 40 years, and they were almost as bad last year. It would be between them and Tech and 10 here. We aren't even the worst team THIS year. They won't be perceived like we will be either.

Ever heard of the old saying "dress for the job you want not the one you have"? If we aspire to be taken seriously in this thing called college football, losing to this OM team is unacceptable.
11-19-2019, 12:01 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'm going to say something that will get me blasted. It sucks, but it is the TRUTH. We ain't Florida State. There is the rub. Us doing it will not be perceived the same way as them doing it. People are going to bring up Arkansas as well. Their team this year might be the worst SEC team in the last 40 years, and they were almost as bad last year. It would be between them and Tech and 10 here. We aren't even the worst team THIS year. They won't be perceived like we will be either.

There are or have been times that would be true but the perception in the football world and among college coaches that have been spoken too, they see a bad, unprepared and subpar teaching product on the field as well. The perception in that world would NOT be negative toward us at all. And we have had agents reach out to us with interest. That is just not the case with were we are now.

If you mean media perception, that will not be as bad as you think either but even if it is, so what?!? They have never done us any favors anyway. We have to disregard that stuff and do what is right for the program. Because they are NOT effecting the coaching circle and they are the ones that matter. And with them, they plainly see the issues as well. It’s not a negative for us this time.
11-19-2019, 12:01 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Ok, what ever makes you feel better.

Back at you bruh. We passed the ball effectively against LSU & Bama in 2017 with all-juniors.

Big difference between Jrs without Sr leadership and Srs and almost always is. But you have to have played on teams like that to fully understand that. Having an all Jr team perform in 2017 like they did is really exceptional at MSU.

If anyone on this board saw our 2014 O being what it was after 2013 they be lying. I did see potential but didn't think it would play as well as it did. Difference was a healthy Dak, another year of experience by WRs, and Senior Oline.

Deddrick Thomas starts last year under Mullen. Joe finally started him again this year. Guidry doesn't unless he catches ball and blocks. Mullen damn sure wouldn't coddle him like Joe does. Austin Williams never starts. Mixon doesn't get run off. Aeris starts. Joe made a lot of negative moves along these lines.

ETA: And our Oline would've kept blocking and probably better in 2018, instead of being retrained by Joe/Johnson to play patty cake.
11-19-2019, 12:03 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by wild_dawg

Best case, we win and he still leaves. There's just no way in hell I can ever root for them to win this game.

Ditto here. Need a win and a change. If Joe were to truly change and become Saban in eggbowl then OK, he can stay but that ain't happening.

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