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11-13-2019, 11:22 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

One thing you have to take into consideration, coaches that get to that level of success typically don't give up easy. Joe is probably either going to think that we will be successful without injuries or he should be looking on how to adapt to SEC defenses.

At the end of the day, you will have to go through a SEC level defense if you have a goal of winning a National Title. It would say a lot if he really just gave up and went to an easier league. Coach O has shown you can go back to a lower league and better prepare yourself. It might be the best thing for Moorhead but will his ego allow it?

And this is what gets me. I was really expecting after last season the light bulb to come on. It seemed that way listening to his SXM SEC interview this summer. He talked about customizing the offense some more, pulling out plays from the Fordham days to suite this offense, getting the ball to the play makers, etc. I'm not seeing it. Even playing ULL and USM the eye ball test was suspicious at best.
11-13-2019, 11:41 AM
HailStateSZN19

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yep. There was a serious rumor that Mike Norvell is really interested in the State job. Supposedly it was a mutual interest too. I'm just thinking Joe wants to finish 6-6 not to be able to stay but to look good to another program that would hire him.

Where was this rumor started or where did you hear/see this? Not doubting you, that?s just the first time I?ve seen that anywhere. Did his people reach out to us or did we reach out to him? I just have a really really hard time believing there?s any truth to that rumor but hey, maybe I?m wrong. Idk. I?d love to get Norvell but this all sounds too good to be true which usually means it is. I just don?t see a realistic scenario where Joe isn?t here next year cause we ain?t getting beat down by OM and I just don?t personally see any signs that make me think he wants to get out of here so bad. Again, not doubting you or anything, that?s just my own opinion.
11-13-2019, 12:20 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Where was this rumor started or where did you hear/see this? Not doubting you, that?s just the first time I?ve seen that anywhere. Did his people reach out to us or did we reach out to him? I just have a really really hard time believing there?s any truth to that rumor but hey, maybe I?m wrong. Idk. I?d love to get Norvell but this all sounds too good to be true which usually means it is. I just don?t see a realistic scenario where Joe isn?t here next year cause we ain?t getting beat down by OM and I just don?t personally see any signs that make me think he wants to get out of here so bad. Again, not doubting you or anything, that?s just my own opinion.

Beastman said he knew people in the know who were saying it was happening. Also a couple of people on SPS with good sources were saying it too.
11-13-2019, 12:33 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

One thing you have to take into consideration, coaches that get to that level of success typically don't give up easy. Joe is probably either going to think that we will be successful without injuries or he should be looking on how to adapt to SEC defenses.

At the end of the day, you will have to go through a SEC level defense if you have a goal of winning a National Title. It would say a lot if he really just gave up and went to an easier league. Coach O has shown you can go back to a lower league and better prepare yourself. It might be the best thing for Moorhead but will his ego allow it?

I posted this last year but while at PSU the teams closest to SEC talent wise SloMo offense was less than stellar and less than 350 yds of offense. This should have been a huge red flag
11-13-2019, 12:46 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

I posted this last year but while at PSU the teams closest to SEC talent wise SloMo offense was less than stellar and less than 350 yds of offense. This should have been a huge red flag

In 2017, Joe played some teams with solid defenses. Here is how many points they scored on each:

Michigan - 42
OSU - 38
MSU - 21
Washington - 35
Iowa - 21

In 2016 the good defenses he faced they scored:

Michigan - 10
OSU - 24
Iowa - 41
MSU - 45
Wisconsin - 38
USC - 49

There were no red flags. He sucks here. It was a great hire on the surface. Shit didn't work out. The SEC defenses he is currently struggling with aren't even very good. He plays 2 or 3 defenses that are good every year here. Every other team we play is no better than anyone else he's faced. It's something else.
11-13-2019, 12:57 PM
TrapGame

To Jarius's point, I think Joe's offense is easier to scheme defensively. He's not changing it up enough.
11-13-2019, 07:48 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Jarius

In 2017, Joe played some teams with solid defenses. Here is how many points they scored on each:

Michigan - 42
OSU - 38
MSU - 21
Washington - 35
Iowa - 21

In 2016 the good defenses he faced they scored:

Michigan - 10
OSU - 24
Iowa - 41
MSU - 45
Wisconsin - 38
USC - 49

There were no red flags. He sucks here. It was a great hire on the surface. Shit didn't work out. The SEC defenses he is currently struggling with aren't even very good. He plays 2 or 3 defenses that are good every year here. Every other team we play is no better than anyone else he's faced. It's something else.

Scores can be misleading due to INT return kick off returns which happened. Here are 16 and 17 lowest yds per game while at Penn State
2016
191 UM
276 OSU
354 Kent state
2017
312 Pitt
380 IU
283 OSU
304 Rutgers

Savant I tell ya
11-14-2019, 02:31 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Scores can be misleading due to INT return kick off returns which happened. Here are 16 and 17 lowest yds per game while at Penn State
2016
191 UM
276 OSU
354 Kent state
2017
312 Pitt
380 IU
283 OSU
304 Rutgers

Savant I tell ya

He was named national offensive coordinator of the year in 2016. You are really reaching. He is bad enough here without having to make up him being bad before he got here.
11-14-2019, 10:34 PM
Dawg-gone-dawgs

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Originally Posted by Jarius

There is no doubt that a guy who could not field a competent offense at a school that shits out 5 star players and is currently 3-6 at his current school is reaching out to everyone for a better coaching job. If we hire him our entire athletic department should be fired.

You do know he won a NC with them right?
11-14-2019, 10:37 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Jarius

He was named national offensive coordinator of the year in 2016. You are really reaching. He is bad enough here without having to make up him being bad before he got here.

It's hard for State fans to be rational and be OK with not thinking the coach is good. I thought you did well here though.
11-14-2019, 10:47 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

You also think something is going on behind the scenes? Same reasons at Trap said or something else making you think that? Just curious.

Very speculative on my part. Partially based on how our fans and major boosters feel about Joe. As I've said I've never seen a MSU coach as unpopular as Joe. Other than maybe Croom for the afternoon after the 2008 Egg Bowl and that ended that night basically. The other part of the speculation is how Joe has been acting at times. Very defensive and bringing up things like how his daughter cried because people were saying that he sucked and things like that. I could see him potentially looking for another job that's a better fit for him.

I'll also say this- if we finish the year out 6-6 and go to a bowl things may smooth over a little bit on both our side and Joe's. And that wouldn't surprise me either. Honestly- I think at 5-7 he's gone. His job is essentially coming down to the Egg Bowl.

There are reasons why the rumors are out there. I think Paul Finebaum acting like a complete douche to Joe and Cohen is what has probably caused the Rutgers rumors to quiet down honestly.
11-15-2019, 11:34 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Very speculative on my part. Partially based on how our fans and major boosters feel about Joe. As I've said I've never seen a MSU coach as unpopular as Joe. Other than maybe Croom for the afternoon after the 2008 Egg Bowl and that ended that night basically. The other part of the speculation is how Joe has been acting at times. Very defensive and bringing up things like how his daughter cried because people were saying that he sucked and things like that. I could see him potentially looking for another job that's a better fit for him.

I'll also say this- if we finish the year out 6-6 and go to a bowl things may smooth over a little bit on both our side and Joe's. And that wouldn't surprise me either. Honestly- I think at 5-7 he's gone. His job is essentially coming down to the Egg Bowl.

There are reasons why the rumors are out there. I think Paul Finebaum acting like a complete douche to Joe and Cohen is what has probably caused the Rutgers rumors to quiet down honestly.

I think if we are actually somewhat competitive on offense (defense being shorthanded are just screwed this weekend) against Bama along with kicking ass the rest of the year including in a bowl game would help a lot. I will say that if that happens it just gets me back on the fence for next year. Then finishing strong in recruiting would help further. I will say outside of winning out, not many people will be fully back on the bandwagon and even then some people still won't be happy with Joe.

I personally need to see some type of offensive adjustment against Bama that actually is a philosophy change and not just a one off like Auburn last year.
11-15-2019, 11:48 AM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

You do know he won a NC with them right?

You do know he is coaching at Kansas because no one else wants an offense stuck in the 20th century, right? He recruited to a program that recruits top 5 nationally with a tomato can as a head coach. He would fail miserably at MSU, just like he is going to at Kansas.
11-15-2019, 11:56 AM
trojandawg

i think Michigan's defense and several others in the big 10 are farce also. that great michigan defense last year got torched by florida in the bowl game. defenses there just aren't built the same. the only one close is ohio state because of urban meyer bringing the sec influence. those defenses don't focus on the defensive front 7 enough. other than ohio state the offenses haven't really been innovative in the spread either up until here recently. most of of them have run something similar to iowa and wisconsin.
11-15-2019, 11:58 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Jarius

You do know he is coaching at Kansas because no one else wants an offense stuck in the 20th century, right? He recruited to a program that recruits top 5 nationally with a tomato can as a head coach. He would fail miserably at MSU, just like he is going to at Kansas.

Hasn't he brought in a young guy to run the spread offense? Not sure if he would do well at MSU but he has Kansas at least competitive somewhat.

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