Since there are many more ***** in the world maybe football season should start in october.
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Since there are many more ***** in the world maybe football season should start in october.
Toughen up or ?stay at home? is such a stupid remark. How the hell could you possibly want a half full stadium. How about multi million dollar institution make its multi million dollar facility comfortable for the people funding it?
And for the record, I stayed the whole game and survived and I was wearing jeans. Bear Grylls has actually done a thing where it?s better to wear long sleeves and pants in the desert to retain sweat. I survived the heat decently fine because I knew what to bring and prepared for worst case with our ridiculous concessions / water fountain setup (Always. Always bring cash).
Not everyone does though. And should everyone really have to bring in 1 L water bottles, know exactly where the few water fountains are, know to bring cash AND card in case the concessions act a fool. Imagine if that was someone?s first game to DWS? They?d never want to come back again. The school has the money and the engineering program to figure out how to mitigate the heat problem. Blaming the fans for being weak will lead to half empty stadiums. There is not (AND HAS NEVER BEEN) 60k people in Mississippi willing to pay $50+ to sit in what feels like 115? heat with limited access to water.
Blaming the school because it was hot and you got hot during a game is laughable too though. Admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
The concessions problem is a completely different situation. They seemed to have dropped the ball there. I wasn't there. I live in TN. It was hot as balls here too. I worked in my yard. While I was outside, I found some shade, drank some water, used my brain and cooled off when I got hot and then eased back out into the sun. Even my dog did the same without having to be told or shown how to do it.
Hell, nearly every person there has quarter breaks, tv timeouts or half-time to stand up, get off their ass, dip out below the stands and find some shade and let their body temperature lower if they need to. It's really not that groundbreaking to use common sense.
Chalk it up to bad timing with the weather and quit acting entitled.
I hear ya! I coached travel ball so many years I guess the heat doesn't bother me as much as some. You play anywhere from 3 to 7 games a weekend and we've played as many as 5 in one day all over the southeast, you just kinda deal with it. I will say that since I gave it up a couple years ago I can't throw 3 hours of bp a day anymore only about an hour and half lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Ironic, considering that anyone using "common sense" would immediately realize how dumb it is to expect a stadium of 40k+ to all leave their seats, go in the concourse, cool down, and return to their chairs in a 3-4 minute commercial break. That's an individual solution and not going to work at scale. Moreover, you mention shade, which is exactly what the first idea in this thread was about; providing shade for the seated areas. If you want people to find shade and also cheer on the team then you'd support looking into this.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. The sane people keep on pointing out that this is about increasing ATTENDANCE and the gameday ENVIRONMENT. Whether or not we've "gone soft" is irrelevant to that end, because no matter how many times you say it the fact is the worse the conditions are the fewer people will come out and the less energy the ones that do show will have. So sure you can stay on your moral high horse about how tough you are and how weak all the young spoiled brats are but if you care about helping STATE FOOTBALL you'll want to solve the problem, not just repeat "back in my day" and "it's not the schools' job to make you happy". I"m going to quote another poster because it seems his well put thoughts have fallen on deaf ears:
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Originally Posted by BulldogDX55
Emperor Vespasian say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtwG_ziYI0Y
After the video fails to play, either click "Watch this video on youtube" above or click this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtwG_ziYI0Y
No one is blaming the school for it being hot. And no one is being “entitled.” (First off there’s a whole generation that have lost sight of what that word means. They seem to think that paying 6 figures for an education and then expecting common sense from said program as you continue to support is acting entitled; however, simply existing and helping destroy the planet and contributing to global warming deserves a free check from those “entitled” brats, and that is NOT entitled. But that’s a whole other argument.)Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
We want a better atmosphere. The concourse does not support shading 60k people. We are trying to propose solutions to give adequate shading to everyone.
No one blamed the school for the heat, most that couldn’t take it left. Hence half the stadium being bone dry empty at halftime. (Really really sucked to see.) If you’re reading that people are blaming the school for the heat you’re missing the point. We blame the scheduling for allowing this game to be played in that heat and then blame the school for dropping the ball on helping mitigate the heat problem.
There’s 1 water fountain in the student section and you either need cash or if you’re lucky flex dollars on your student account to get anything from the concessions in that section. Add that to the lack of shading, and there’s gonna be less than 500 students left.
We want a better atmosphere. It’s not about being entitled. It’s about wanting this program to elevate. If I wanted to bake in the sun at a shitty stadium with trash concessions and have no atmosphere then i’d go to a juco game or usm or unm. I don’t, I want to watch the premier football in the state and I would hope that school would help create and upkeep an atmosphere to match.
What would the University have to do to provide shade for the fans? About the only thing I can think of is to have what amounts to a dome with an elliptical hole in the top. Can you imagine what something like that would cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
What are your suggestions for adequate shade that the engineering school is supposed to design? In another post, you said "The school has the money and the engineering program to figure out how to mitigate the heat problem." The key word is school ... they educate future engineers; they don't have an engineering company.
If you are waiting for more shading, save your breath.... that's as likely as 007 becoming negative
The point about the school is that you have the alumni base to hire from to figure the problem out. Heated seating is a thing in stadiums up north, might there be a feasible way to create cooling seating? I’m sure you consult with enough of the chemical and mechanical engineering graduates you could figure this out. Same for shading. Washington has a setup that works for them with rain / shade. I imagine MSU could figure something effective out. And beyond those two things I would hope someone could plan better to accommodate 60k dealing with the heat than what we saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Yes a lot of this would be expensive. It was very expensive to bowl off the stadium. The fans have come out in support since that idea was implemented. I’m sure the cost-benefit can be shown to be positive by creating a better environment simply by doubling the amount of people in the stadium in the second half. That alone would seem to double concessions in theory.
From Wikipedia, "The stadium [at the University of Washington] underwent a $280 million renovation that was completed in 2013. Its U-shaped design was specifically oriented (18.167? south of due east) to minimize glare from the early afternoon sun in the athletes' eyes."Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Our stadium is oriented essentially due north-south. Because of that, I don't think "roofs" similar to Washington's would do much good for most of the fans, and even if it did, it would only be for a few games at the start of the season. About all we can do is grin and bear it, and realize the players are probably hotter than any of the fans.
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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I guess I should've expected some overly dramatic responses from people that are complaining about this. Shocker. Don't take my words and act like I said every person in the stadium should or would get up and go to the concourses for shade simultaneously. That's dumb. It's not a fire drill. That would never happen so why even try to make some dumb hypothetical statement other than for the sake of your argument? That's also assuming that every man, woman, and child in attendance are so enthralled with the game at hand that they can't find shade except designated game breaks. Not every person at the game cares enough to have to watch every single snap. The majority don't more than likely. The entire purpose of me saying that is because you and I both know that wouldn't happen or even be the case. FACT.
It's simple decision making. If you are incapable of going outside on a hot day and still butthurt and blaming someone else days and days after, maybe your decision should be to avoid that heat. If that means fewer people in attendance..... again, that's unfortunate and just bad timing just like how a rainy day can pop up and cancel plans you've had for weeks. Zero difference. The decision is yours and you are responsible for your own safety at the end of the day.
Also, I haven't played the "quit being a pu***" card. Heat's no joke, I don't believe I'm tougher than the sun. Could you imagine?
I get game-day experience and all but there are uncontrollable tangibles especially when it comes to weather obviously. Not one MSU employee or really any other human I would imagine forced you to go. The decisions to go outside and sit in the sun is all on you. Not anyone or anything else.
That said, that colosseum awning video would be pretty damn sweet actually. But I'm not going to act like MSU needs to cater to me just because I graduated from there and bought season tix. To think they owe me because of decisions I made prior and the weather was unseasonably hot for a day (kind of). That would be pretty....entitled.
Overly dramatic? The stadium was half empty in a 2-score in-state game. That is NOT ok. Period.
Again, no one is blaming the school for the heat. The main blame they get is the the horrible concession setup / limited access to water. These other ideas are spitballing suggestions to mitigate the heat.
To think expecting common sense from the institution that provided great education is entitlement shows that you just want to call “youngins” entitled. Get off your high horse. Kids today have to deal with 10X worse issues because of previous generations destroying this earth. We pull up our bootstraps in worse ways than most boomers could even imagine. It’s not entitled to expect competency. No where has anyone acted like MSU should create the awning or other ideas because they said so. The only thing we “feel entitled to” is a level of professionalism that the AD even had to publicly apologize for. The rest is pitching ideas that would be smart for the university to implement instead of calling people pussies.
The bottom line is that the average fan is not going to be miserable in a stadium when you can just watch it in your TV in the air conditioning with food/beverages and a bathroom readily available. The TV is the better option in this scenario.
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Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Overly dramatic = twisting my words and pretending like I said all 40,000 fans in attendance will have to simultaneously huddle in the concourses during designated breaks like cows under a lone patch of trees in a wide-open field. Even cows have enough sense to do it when necessary. The only reason to twist my words like that is to prop your argument up. Like it's impossible for concourses to even be used as an option to get a quick break from the sun. It doesn't take long to get some relief in the shade.
If you would've read my original post I clearly acknowledged that the concession situation was on the university and a completely different discussion that should be addressed and fans have every right to be pissed off about it. I wasn't there so I can't attest to it. But I have no reason to doubt what other posters are complaining about when it comes to the concessions is true. But then they bring the lack of shade into the conversation and their argument is lost because they want to demand shade and solutions for shade. Not concessions. Blaming the school for not having some plan of action for shade is dumb. Hell yeah it would be nice, but it ain't happening for a while if at all.
Also, I am not on a high horse. I'm not some old fart, I'm one of those "kids" that automatically gets lumped into the group of "entitled brats" simply because of the year I was born. Even though I bust my ass just like you described and I agree with you there. To compare baby boomers worlds when they were in their 30s to a modern 30 year old is pointless. We might as well be on a different planet now. You're preaching to the choir here when it comes to that. I understand the frustration with concessions. Hell, give everyone in attendance this weekend a free hot dog or better yet, a free bottle of water. Have MSU employees handing them out in the concourses. Some of you would probably complain about the water not being cold enough or to your liking though. And again, I'm not the one calling people pussies like you keep trying to point out. The sun can be brutal.
Your points of having concessions readily available all over the stadium and easy to purchase are heard and agreed with. I doubt anyone is arguing with that. They just aren't in response to what I've posted about.
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Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Exactly. This isn't groundbreaking stuff here. This is where the simple, personal decision making comes into play. If you believe your fandom rides on the fact that you have to attend every game to feel like you support a team, that is on you.
Exactly. this thread was about tv ruining the attendance and environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I'll take those TV contracts and the money and publicity that comes with them any day over a patch of shade. Before, we were lucky to get on TV. Maybe a couple of games a year.
Those TV contracts have to generate more revenue per game. Anyone got a break down of how many seats we would have to sale to make up for the loss of the ESPN money we get for playing in their designated time slot?
Ok that’s the point. No one is demanding shade. We’re saying it would be smart and a good idea. Otherwise you will lose about 15k off the top of attendance and then lose another 20k by halftime in these games.
I’m not personally demanding it because, again, I came prepared and sat through the entire game and was just fine. But I can clearly see the need and if the goal is sellouts with 60k cowbells going all game long, then someone needs to be smart about how we deal with the weather.
If the school is happy with the tv contract and a meh atmosphere then that sucks and I hope they would do better. Lots of money gets pumped into this institution, so I would expect more pride in showing ourselves as the premier school in the state.
That's literally what you said though, if people get hot they should just go to the shade during brakes. That's your solution to people getting hot. My exact point is that it's not going to work at scale as a solution; you cant have 40+k people doing that at once, and if 40+k are there you might have 40+k getting uncomfortably hot. It seems we're in agreement that "go find shade" is not a real solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
And ONCE AGAIN let me point out that A) You completely ignored literally everything in my post and latched onto one small point I made, and 2) THIS IS ABOUT CREATING A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT TO HELP THE TEAM WIN GAMES! Nobody is saying they "deserve" to have a nice experience. What we're saying is that the less fun people have at the games the fewer fans will show up, and the easier it'll be for the visiting team to beat us.
So when you say "If you believe your fandom rides on the fact that you have to attend every game to feel like you support a team, that is on you." you're completely missing the point, and are actually hurting the team's chances to win.
The only way to increase attendance an energy levels is to make it less miserable. Maybe it can't be done at all, but to shut the discussion down entirely because the problem isn't the Universities is not going to help at all. The university is under no obligation to provide concessions either, but we can agree that it'll increase fan pleasure and thus increase turnout and so is a good idea. Why not do the same when it comes to heat?
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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Nah I get what you are trying to convey. It's really not that complex. It's actually so simple there was no need for me to acknowledge that so I didn't. But here you go...
It's not hard to understand that a hostile environment helps the home team. But you seem to be putting a little too much emphasis on that IMO. What about Florida last year? What about UT losing to Georgia State with a hostile environment? BYU at home? The crowd plays a big part but not nearly as much as you make it seem. There is only so much fans can do.
Me not being there does NOT hurt the team's chances. Are you serious, lulz? I may not be helping on a hostility metric but I'm in no way hurting their chances. Zero. Clearly they made out just fine with or without me and the people that didn't stay or chose not to go this past weekend. We were playing USM for God's sake. If we lost that game attendance would've immediately dropped for the remainder of the year anyway. If it were LSU, AU, Bama, A&M, UK or any other team that actually needs and benefits from a hostile environment I could understand the outrage at lack of attendance & support. Hot or not. The energy level & attendance would/will be there for most any SEC game. But it's not for USM or the equivalent. It never will be. Just like every other year. You make it seem like we've been selling out multiple games a year or something and now suddenly we are playing to an empty stadium over and over. It's been one game. Probably safe to assume it will be two after this coming weekend. How will the players on the field ever win without high energy, crazed (but cool in the shade) fans? The players have done it many times before and will continue doing it into the future.
Yes, concessions are great and make games much better. You do realize it is very very likely that companies are bidding at the opportunity to sell concessions at MSU? So no, they aren't obligated but they would be dumb to not. Not even remotely close to a good comparison. It's not like we are the only or even in a minority group of the SEC stadiums that don't have the luxury of shade. Uhhhh hell yeah, it would be awesome to set that benchmark and lead the way. Is our stadium in its current state even capable of taking on an engineering feat that would be required to do that? Who knows? I'm doubtful of though. We could probably figure something out if they wanted to though. But I find it highly unlikely it would be done by the engineering department at MSU. MSU grad with their PE license, absolutely.
Not once did I say they should all 40,000 at once go stand in the shade. Single file, one in one out. Don't be obtuse. People are capable of thinking for themselves and telling who they are with, "Hey, I'm burning up. Gonna go find some shade for a minute and cool off. Want to come?". You act like they would announce it over the PA system for all to hear when they can or can't go cool off. That is only convenient for your side of the matter for argument's sake. Clearly all 40,000 - 60,000 fans don't need to be in concourses or breezeways. It's heat, not a tornado bearing down on the stadium.