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08-21-2019, 02:47 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Moorhead gets trashed here daily, totally unfair.

Perhaps so, but 7-figure salaries make you open game imo.
08-21-2019, 02:49 PM
Scared_Hitless

I wish the damn season would start so we can stop discussing last season. Either JoMo is the guy or he isn't but man hearing every reason in the book why he is a failure is getting old at this point.

Hail State!
08-21-2019, 02:53 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Same people think we somehow could have kept Mullen and won a National Title last year.

First we'd have to beat Kirby's defense and that's not gonna happen with Mullen at the helm.
08-21-2019, 03:05 PM
Maroonthirteen

I?d like to qualify which fan I am .... (in response to ?same fans?)

I?m a ....

It was time for Mullen to go. He wanted out. The fan base had lost that loving feeling.
We could have won 9-10 last year with Mullen. We weren?t beating Bama. Doesn?t matter. See above.
Fitz was a good athlete and QB. JoMo asked him to do to much.
JoMo is a helluva hire for MSU. Smart coach that.... IMO... has a complicated system for college football. Considering practice time limitations and the type guy we usually have at QB at MSU.
I hope JoMo is here a long time.
LSU and Bama and AU will expose our DL because they almost always do.... year after year

anyways..... HailState.
08-21-2019, 04:16 PM
msu15

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I?d like to qualify which fan I am .... (in response to ?same fans?)

I?m a ....

It was time for Mullen to go. He wanted out. The fan base had lost that loving feeling.
We could have won 9-10 last year with Mullen. We weren?t beating Bama. Doesn?t matter. See above.
Fitz was a good athlete and QB. JoMo asked him to do to much.
JoMo is a helluva hire for MSU. Smart coach that.... IMO... has a complicated system for college football. Considering practice time limitations and the type guy we usually have at QB at MSU.
I hope JoMo is here a long time.
LSU and Bama and AU will expose our DL because they almost always do.... year after year

anyways..... HailState.

Auburn hasn't exposed shit for us the past 10 years.
08-21-2019, 04:22 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msu15

Auburn hasn't exposed shit for us the past 10 years.

I don't get the AU love. Gus is an average coach. They are starting a true freshman at QB.
08-21-2019, 04:27 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm a joe skeptic for sure, but I do expect the offense to progress nicely this year. I just think the defense coming back to earth (esp considering gay and Autry) will offset the offensive improvement.

How can you expect the offense to progress if you are skeptical about who is calling it?
08-21-2019, 04:38 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz gets trashed here daily. Totally unfair

Fitz was a good hard nosed kid that thrived under Mullen and could not run Joes offense with a few practices to get ready. It is no character assassination. It is simply observable fact.

This has never been a black white choice. You insisting on being personally insulted whenever this is mentioned is your choice. It says nothing about the validity of the comments.
08-21-2019, 04:56 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

How can you expect the offense to progress if you are skeptical about who is calling it?

I didn't say it would be good. We were 119th in the country last season vs conf teams in total offense. There are 129 conf teams (92nd percentile for conf games futility). If we crack the top 100, that's a "nice" progression, but still not good
08-21-2019, 05:00 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I didn't say it would be good. We were 119th in the country last season vs conf teams in total offense. There are 129 conf teams (92nd percentile for conf games futility). If we crack the top 100, that's a "nice" progression, but still not good

How did the offense do overall? PPG?

This is an example of picking and choosing stats to fit your narrative.

Because here's the thing- if our offense is that bad- it's not going to work against OOC teams either. See Croom.
08-21-2019, 05:01 PM
Percho

I'm thinking out loud but keeping it to myself. I'll let ya'll know after 7 or 8 games if I was right or wrong.

About our team this year.
08-21-2019, 05:02 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by Percho

I'm thinking out loud but keeping it to myself. I'll let ya'll know after 7 or 8 games if I was right or wrong.

About our team this year.

And our coach.
08-21-2019, 05:02 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well we certainly have a proud tradition of great QBs here, so yeah, we should trash one of our better ones.

When I am sitting in my seat at the Outback Bowl and we run four verts and there are TWO WR's running by themselves and the QB chooses to throw to the guy that's triple covered.....that's not on the scheme or the coach that called the play.
08-21-2019, 05:08 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

How did the offense do overall? PPG?

This is an example of picking and choosing stats to fit your narrative.

Because here's the thing- if our offense is that bad- it's not going to work against OOC teams either. See Croom.

68th in PPG... tied with vandy. Vs fbs teams only, 80th
08-21-2019, 05:49 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I didn't say it would be good. We were 119th in the country last season vs conf teams in total offense. There are 129 conf teams (92nd percentile for conf games futility). If we crack the top 100, that's a "nice" progression, but still not good

We likely had the most difficult schedule in the country vs conference teams' defenses.
08-21-2019, 06:12 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

We likely had the most difficult schedule in the country vs conference teams' defenses.

Yeah Bc they played us they had better stats....
Example. I'm gave up 4+ yards per rush. We avg and grand total of 2.0....
08-21-2019, 06:25 PM
Scared_Hitless

What is more likely a top flight OC forgot how to coach or he sinply had a bad season with a team limited on the offensive side of the ball. I imagine we see a big progression this season. SEC didn't make him forget how to coach.
08-21-2019, 06:30 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yeah Bc they played us they had better stats....
Example. I'm gave up 4+ yards per rush. We avg and grand total of 2.0....

No, nothing to do with playing us. We played UK, UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, and even A&M. They had tough defenses against everyone, not just us. Even though we also played Ark and OM, no one in the country faced overall tougher conference defenses than State. Yes, we could have played better offense against them, but it's not right to use a ranking vs the whole country when the whole country played easier defenses than us. Against easier defenses, we moved the ball fairly easily.

Moorhead is a good offensive coach and has proven it everywhere he has been. To only use 2018 MSU and only against the toughest defenses in the country as evidence he is not a good offensive coach is ignorant.
08-21-2019, 06:56 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

No, nothing to do with playing us. We played UK, UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, and even A&M. They had tough defenses against everyone, not just us. Even though we also played Ark and OM, no one in the country faced overall tougher conference defenses than State. Yes, we could have played better offense against them, but it's not right to use a ranking vs the whole country when the whole country played easier defenses than us. Against easier defenses, we moved the ball fairly easily.

Moorhead is a good offensive coach and has proven it everywhere he has been. To only use 2018 MSU and only against the toughest defenses in the country as evidence he is not a good offensive coach is ignorant.

What??? Uk defense gave up 4.1 a carry for the YEAR. We avg 2.0 against them 2.1 below their avg. if we avg 4.1 their avg would have been higher. In other words we helped them and fla have better stats than they would have cause we couldn't move the ball. It's not complicated. Spin it how you want.
08-21-2019, 07:47 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

All this doom and gloom about the defense is b/c we were spoiled by what we had on the field last year. We will be back to an average SEC defense next year but our offensive output will be able to compensate against most defenses not named Bama, LSU and Auburn. And even then those defenses won't shut down our offense.

Average SEC defense is probably a top 25 unit but we will be better than average. Some on here are flipping out just for the sake of flipping out and others are just stirring the pot. I'll say it again, if the DTs are the worst part of our team, we are going to be pretty good bc we have talent at DT. Worst case scenario we still have LL and ET at ILB. That is a good group with some talent behind them. A good safety group and our best CB duo in years...I am far more concerned about the offense and from all accounts it will be better. Stevens is good. The OL is good and we have a good RB duo. That is a good team as is not counting the TEs and an improved (hopefully) WR group

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