Cut that Jovester sh*t out. I thought there were rules about names on this board...

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Could be, but he matched his best season here in year 1 at Florida.

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A veteran SEC coach has a good season in year one. Stop the presses.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

A veteran SEC coach has a good season in year one. Stop the presses.

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I don't even think that's that good of a season at Florida. I just disagree with 10 wins being Mullen's ceiling

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't even think that's that good of a season at Florida. I just disagree with 10 wins being Mullen's ceiling

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Mullen won't be job hunting in November anymore. He'll win more games b/c of it.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Could be, but he matched his best season here in year 1 at Florida.

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That's at UF. Sorry, but they have a stronger history in their program.

Right now he has the #13 class. All 4*s. Last year he had a top 10 class with 17 4*s. Those 2 years combined, he had 27 4* players....... added to what he walked into:


2018- 13 4*s
2017- 11 4*s
2016- 9 4*s
2015- 2 5*s and 2 4*s

That's pretty much 2 times the amount we were getting with him here. And I'm a fan of Mullen and you know from my post thought it was crazy to be calling for him to be gone.

BTW, fans at UF are already complaining about his recruiting and MS ST would kill for those types of numbers.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

That's at UF. Sorry, but they have a stronger history in their program.

Right now he has the #13 class. All 4*s. Last year he had a top 10 class with 17 4*s. Those 2 years combined, he had 27 4* players....... added to what he walked into:


2018- 13 4*s
2017- 11 4*s
2016- 9 4*s
2015- 2 5*s and 2 4*s

That's pretty much 2 times the amount we were getting with him here. And I'm a fan of Mullen and you know from my post thought it was crazy to be calling for him to be gone.

BTW, fans at UF are already complaining about his recruiting and MS ST would kill for those types of numbers.

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I don't dispute Mullen's ceiling at Florida is higher than here. He said Mullen had reached his (Mullen) ceiling. I'm not sure if our ceiling in today's sec west environment is NY6 here or not; but when considering ceilings, I think you have to consider if all the west reaches their ceilings where ours is. If you say our ceiling is playoffs, I think you have to acknowledge that meant LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama didn't reach their ceilings. So we need luck whereas others in the west don't

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't even think that's that good of a season at Florida. I just disagree with 10 wins being Mullen's ceiling

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That's not what he was saying (I think). He's saying at Ms St, he had reached his ceiling. Mullen is a great coach. My opinion.
But he and some on his staff was not liked. I know a OL who went elsewhere because of Dan's man. Was a MSU fan and had been his whole life.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't dispute Mullen's ceiling at Florida is higher than here. He said Mullen had reached his (Mullen) ceiling. I'm not sure if our ceiling in today's sec west environment is NY6 here or not; but when considering ceilings, I think you have to consider if all the west reaches their ceilings where ours is. If you say our ceiling is playoffs, I think you have to acknowledge that meant LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama didn't reach their ceilings. So we need luck whereas others in the west don't

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Agree. We play eachother and somebody is not going to win!

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yeah you want Joe to fail for sure. Those same things you said about go for Auburn too. Just because they make those plus doesn't necessarily mean they win.

You win games and you lose games. Anyone that qualifies a win as flukey isn't looking for truth. They just want to be correct at the expense of the team.

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Then you have to approach our dropped passes the same way. Bottom line, we lost those games.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Could be, but he matched his best season here in year 1 at Florida.

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And UF had an average recruiting ranking class of 15 over the past 5 years. MSU was probably 25-35. He walked into as much or more talent at UF top to bottom. We had 2 guys who played their way into the first with Simmons the only sure fire first round guy at the beginning of the year. UF had 2 guys play their way out of the 1st round with the DE actually bombing the interview process at the combine so bad he was removed from draft boards.

People give Franks crap but he was more highly recruited than any QB on MSU's roster during Mullen's entire time.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't dispute Mullen's ceiling at Florida is higher than here. He said Mullen had reached his (Mullen) ceiling. I'm not sure if our ceiling in today's sec west environment is NY6 here or not; but when considering ceilings, I think you have to consider if all the west reaches their ceilings where ours is. If you say our ceiling is playoffs, I think you have to acknowledge that meant LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama didn't reach their ceilings. So we need luck whereas others in the west don't

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Mullen went somewhere that helps cover his deficiency which is recruiting. You probably have to try to have a recruiting class outside the 25-30 at UF whereas at MSU that was around the best he did on average. UF has a higher average ceiling especially when you consider the East is easier on average.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Mullen went somewhere that helps cover his deficiency which is recruiting. You probably have to try to have a recruiting class outside the 25-30 at UF whereas at MSU that was around the best he did on average. UF has a higher average ceiling especially when you consider the East is easier on average.

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He is going to have to improve his recruiting to get past GA and keeping his fans happy. They believe they should have a top five class every year and that will get Mullen on the hot seat.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't dispute Mullen's ceiling at Florida is higher than here. He said Mullen had reached his (Mullen) ceiling. I'm not sure if our ceiling in today's sec west environment is NY6 here or not; but when considering ceilings, I think you have to consider if all the west reaches their ceilings where ours is. If you say our ceiling is playoffs, I think you have to acknowledge that meant LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama didn't reach their ceilings. So we need luck whereas others in the west don't

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Considering that Bama has won 7 of the last 11 SECW titles, I'd say it requires some luck from any team to win the west that isn't named Bama.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

He is going to have to improve his recruiting to get past GA and keeping his fans happy. They believe they should have a top five class every year and that will get Mullen on the hot seat.

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Yep, they think Urban's top 1-5 classes are the worst they should do. Of course Urban also won 2 National Titles there also. Mullen probably has 3 years before he is on the hot seat for finishing outside of the Playoffs.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Considering that Bama has won 7 of the last 11 SECW titles, I'd say it requires some luck from any team to win the west that isn't named Bama.

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Correct. A ceiling with conditions on it isn't really a ceiling.

I only read the first 1.5 pages of this mess of a thread, but what if all of the following is true:

1. Mullen was good at recruiting some
Positions, but bad at others
2. Our receivers were a weak point, but other teams receivers make mistakes too
3. The jury can still be out on Joe, and he's shown both good and bad aspects
4. His offense was bad at times last season, but we also know that his system needs a 60% passer and receivers who catch so we don't know if it's entirely the systems fault
5. Fitz was a good qb for Mullen's system, but not a good QB for Joes

Not everything has to be black and white and set in stone. Nuance exists.

One thing for sure: anyone seriously comparing Joe to Croom is pants on the head stupid, but Joevester is just a silly nickname that any reasonable fan isn't using seriously.

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Originally Posted by BulldogDX55

I only read the first 1.5 pages of this mess of a thread, but what if all of the following is true:

1. Mullen was good at recruiting some
Positions, but bad at others
2. Our receivers were a weak point, but other teams receivers make mistakes too
3. The jury can still be out on Joe, and he's shown both good and bad aspects
4. His offense was bad at times last season, but we also know that his system needs a 60% passer and receivers who catch so we don't know if it's entirely the systems fault
5. Fitz was a good qb for Mullen's system, but not a good QB for Joes

Not everything has to be black and white and set in stone. Nuance exists.

One thing for sure: anyone seriously comparing Joe to Croom is pants on the head stupid, but Joevester is just a silly nickname that any reasonable fan isn't using seriously.

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Originally Posted by BulldogDX55

I only read the first 1.5 pages of this mess of a thread, but what if all of the following is true:

1. Mullen was good at recruiting some
Positions, but bad at others
2. Our receivers were a weak point, but other teams receivers make mistakes too
3. The jury can still be out on Joe, and he's shown both good and bad aspects
4. His offense was bad at times last season, but we also know that his system needs a 60% passer and receivers who catch so we don't know if it's entirely the systems fault
5. Fitz was a good qb for Mullen's system, but not a good QB for Joes

Not everything has to be black and white and set in stone. Nuance exists.

One thing for sure: anyone seriously comparing Joe to Croom is pants on the head stupid, but Joevester is just a silly nickname that any reasonable fan isn't using seriously.

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Is there any derogatory nicknames not allowed like Joevester or foam bat? What about Peaches?

What the hell is the OP talking about? Jovester hasn't been said more than a couple of times ever. It ain't exactly catching on.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

What the hell is the OP talking about? Jovester hasn't been said more than a couple of times ever. It ain't exactly catching on.

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Certain posters are using it in every one of their posts trying to get it to catch on.

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Originally Posted by BulldogDX55

I only read the first 1.5 pages of this mess of a thread, but what if all of the following is true:

1. Mullen was good at recruiting some
Positions, but bad at others
2. Our receivers were a weak point, but other teams receivers make mistakes too
3. The jury can still be out on Joe, and he's shown both good and bad aspects
4. His offense was bad at times last season, but we also know that his system needs a 60% passer and receivers who catch so we don't know if it's entirely the systems fault
5. Fitz was a good qb for Mullen's system, but not a good QB for Joes

Not everything has to be black and white and set in stone. Nuance exists.

One thing for sure: anyone seriously comparing Joe to Croom is pants on the head stupid, but Joevester is just a silly nickname that any reasonable fan isn't using seriously.

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Have some Rep!