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07-31-2019, 11:53 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

That's the thing. Last year was NOT 8-4 talent. This year it is. Hopefully coaching doesn't drag us down a couple of games again.

Last year was 12-0 defensive talent and 6-6 offensive talent.
07-31-2019, 11:55 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

But why do you think that? Is it because Shoop came in and fixed the back end of our defense and improved it to #1? Where in the last 20 years have we beaten those type of teams? Even in 2014 with our run to #1, Auburn, LSU, and A&M did not finish the season ranked as high as UK last year. Everyone can't get over UK but that was a really good team. If you replace the name UK with Auburn then most people are ok with it.

UF is a sore spot because it is Mullen. 1) UF was at least as talented but probably more talented top to bottom. 2) Mullen knew Fitz's strengths and weaknesses better than Joe.
Even then if Mitchell catches that TD pass to take the lead, we have a great shot at winning that game.

Iowa - I will give you that one. Guidry turns a winning TD into a losing Int. Abram gets caught looking in the backfield for the first time all year. Those 2 plays lost that game. Sometimes the ball bounces your way and sometimes it doesn't.

In my opinion football is the only game that you make your own breaks. People talk about baseball being a cruel game, I can see that game having a lot to do with luck. But football is not that. In my experience you get out of it exactly what you put into it. LSU is the luckiest team I have ever seen play a football game but at some point if you keep getting lucky you are probably just good
07-31-2019, 11:56 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We absolutely should have won those games but Moorhead sacrificed those in order to put his offense in instead of tailoring something he didnt want to do around Fitzgerald.

I like Moorhead and I know what he is trying to do, Im just not sure I agree with that strategy of giving up a special year to put in his offense. I see why he did it though

If you listened to Joe's interview on the SXM SEC Channel you'd hear him say pretty much the same thing. He admits it was a bumpy ride last year but now he sees guys who are way more comfortable with the offense. They know their roles.
07-31-2019, 11:58 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

Seems like you're trolling especially hard today.

Yes Obi Wan, the douche is strong with this one.***
07-31-2019, 11:58 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

If you listened to Joe's interview on the SXM SEC Channel you'd hear him say pretty much the same thing. He admits it was a bumpy ride last year but now he sees guys who are way more comfortable with the offense. They know their roles.

That his quote this year? Last year, it was no one had picked his offense up as fast as us.
07-31-2019, 11:59 AM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Yes it was, you just sized up your ring too early.

I didn't think 10-2 would get a ring. Sorry you can't see Joe crapped away 2 extremely winnable regular season games with his hardheaded approach. We had a better roster than 11 teams we played last year.
07-31-2019, 12:02 PM
DancingRabbit

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Dan went 7-1 against uk. So your point is pretty dumb. So if joe wins 7 in a row agains then I'll cut him slack.
ETA and the shit show I watched against uk last year was just that. Awful plan, awful execution, awful adjustments by our offensive staff.

My point is that some people try say Joe put on a shit show last year like never seen in Starkville, yet you only have to go back 2 years earlier to see similar losses.

What's your point?
07-31-2019, 12:04 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

That his quote this year? Last year, it was no one had picked his offense up as fast as us.

I'm sure they picked it up but our starting QB wasn't there in live reps until August. Joe even said in the SXM interview having Fitz out of spring installation really set the stage for looking mediocre. He also said Fitz was really starting to pick up the reads and the nuances by the end of the season. Joe said if Fitz had one more year he would have looked a lot better b/c he had it he just needed to make the passes.
07-31-2019, 12:04 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Here's a little article from Tampa bay about the state of the Florida program last year...

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/flor...-a-good-thing/

UF has recruited around top 15-20 over the 5 years prior to Mullen so that was the talent he had to work with. His shit QB that he took over was a 4 star top level QB in the country. He had 2 guys who were projected 1st round picks, LT and DE. LT was projected as a top 15 pick guy but slide because of a knee injury. DE was supposed to be a first round pick but apparently bombed the interview process at the combine so bad that teams took him off their draft boards entirely. They ended up with 5 guys taken with the LT sliding into the 2nd, DE sliding to the 3rd, 4th, and two guys in the 5th.

Not too far off our picks of 3 late 1st round, 2nd round, and 6th round.

UF's 4th round guy was a DB that matched up with their other DB who is a projected 1st round (possible 1st DB taken) guy this year. So all that said, let's not act like if Mullen was coaching last year and UF got a really good coach that there was zero chance we lose that game.
07-31-2019, 12:07 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

My point is that some people try say Joe put on a shit show last year like never seen in Starkville, yet you only have to go back The Previousyear earlier to see similar losses.

What's your point?

2018 UGA and AU had comparable defense to UK last year. Both of those games, Mullen got dominated like a little bitch but somehow that gets overlooked now.
07-31-2019, 12:09 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I'm sure they picked it up but our starting QB wasn't there in live reps until August. Joe even said in the SXM interview having Fitz out of spring installation really set the stage for looking mediocre. He also said Fitz was really starting to pick up the reads and the nuances by the end of the season. Joe said if Fitz had one more year he would have looked a lot better b/c he had it he just needed to make the passes.

I don't think Fitz had the accuracy to ever truly run his offense. He is consistently inconsistent.
07-31-2019, 12:13 PM
Homedawg

The fact that JM failed is this- in our 4 reg season losses had we held the opponent to 7 points we would have gone 0-3 and one overtime game. But I know, I know it was fitz etc etc. blah blah blah
07-31-2019, 12:35 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

That his quote this year? Last year, it was no one had picked his offense up as fast as us.

You're just arguing for the sake of it now. He also admits he talked too much noise before the season he said that at media days.
07-31-2019, 01:25 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Dan went 7-1 against uk. So your point is pretty dumb. So if joe wins 7 in a row agains then I'll cut him slack.

Dan never played a #12 ranked UK. For that matter, in nine years did Dan beat ANY teams ranked #12 at the end of the season?
07-31-2019, 01:34 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

Dan never played a #12 ranked UK. For that matter, in nine years did Dan beat ANY teams ranked #12 at the end of the season?

They wouldn't have been number 12 nor would fla finished where they did if we had beaten them. Ever thought of that?? SMH
07-31-2019, 02:16 PM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I don't think Fitz had the accuracy to ever truly run his offense. He is consistently inconsistent.

Well, the rubber meets the road this year. We will see if it was Fitz or Joe. Hope it was Fitz. Suspect it was both. Hopefully his system clicks this year and we can actually score vs real defenses.
07-31-2019, 02:24 PM
Leeshouldveflanked

Joe probably figured that wide open SEC WR’s wouldn’t drop passes that hit them in the hands...(that cost us 2 games)....also Joe’s QB from last year just put any chance of a NFL future at risk by getting hurt playing Beach Volleyball....
07-31-2019, 02:25 PM
Leeshouldveflanked

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Last year was 12-0 defensive talent and 6-6 offensive talent.

^^^^This^^^^
07-31-2019, 02:29 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

They wouldn't have been number 12 nor would fla finished where they did if we had beaten them. Ever thought of that?? SMH

I did, wrote it, then took it out for simplicity. A team that lost to Dan but would have finished #12 had they beaten Dan would have still finished #15-20 or at worst #18-22. What was Dan's record against teams that finished #15-20 or #18-#22? Still not good at all, especially vs SEC teams away from home.

Dan wouldn't have beaten Kentucky last season. Or LSU. Maybe Florida, maybe Iowa, but both had good rushing defenses, so he might not have beaten them either. JoMo was two dropped passes from 10-3.

And still, why are we comparing JoMo to Mullen? Mullen left, we didn't fire him. We should compare JoMo to Jeremy Pruitt and Chad Morris. Would they have done better than 8-5? Would Jimbo or Malzahn have done better as a first year State coach? JoMo beat both of them last year. Would Orgeron have done better? Keep in mind that NONE of the others likely would have hired Shoop as State's DC.
07-31-2019, 02:30 PM
Leeshouldveflanked

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