Moorhead is Done At MSU

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

Geezus dude get a damn grip. You really don't need to follow recruiting

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I was an asshole apparently for telling him the same thing.

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Originally Posted by BB30

That is some serious conspiracy theory stuff and pretty dumb. If you truly believe our AD is intentionally trying to bomb our football program you are too far gone from reality to be saved. There was never going to be a hire that was a guarantee and from all of the outsiders perspectives Moorhead was a terrific hire. Yall melt way too quick on here, I would hate to see how yall react when something serious that actually matters happens.

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Not intentionally, no. No conspiracy theory just is what it is.

Some people are never going to be happy with Joe even if he goes 15-0 next year. Or at any point in his time here.

He does need to better in recruiting next year though. At least he appears to be off to a good start there. Plus the funny thing is right now we have signed more four stars than Dan did in every class he had in 9 years except for one or two.

The only silver lining for us is we need to hit the transfer portal to fill the WR need but that's doable at least.

I’ve been reading this board for a lot longer than I’ve been posting, and it’s pretty clear this Shotgun joker’s mental state is unstable at best. He’s had stretches of completely reasonable posting, but lately he definitely seems to be off his meds. Dude epitomizes manic-depressive episodes

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I hate looking at national rankings when we are 6th/7th in our division. Mullen was good at exceeding recruiting rankings, but very few are. Will moorhead? Who knows, but his talent this year was as close as it will get to the upper west schools this season, and we won 8

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Ok dude ... I get it and I'm not happy with the way the season went either. But I'm giving the guy a chance. I'm not ready to fire him or Cohen just yet. Both have barely gotten their feet wet in their respective jobs.

If we go 8-4 next year I'll figure that's pretty decent if, and only if, our offense puts up some points in our losses (17 or more in 3 out of 4 ... Bama being the outlier). If that doesn't happen, I'll then be pretty damned pissed at him probably. His offense will need to be adjusted to personnel at that point and he better get on it quick.

I just see little sense of replaying the same mantra of now "Mullen was greatest ever" and "Moorhead will always suck". Mullen is pretty good, but he had to grow into the job too.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I hate looking at national rankings when we are 6th/7th in our division. Mullen was good at exceeding recruiting rankings, but very few are. Will moorhead? Who knows, but his talent this year was as close as it will get to the upper west schools this season, and we won 8

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If we match the number of four stars we signed this year every year we'll have between 18-21 four stars a year that are sophomores or older. We won't have the depth that Alabama has but we'll have enough to give us a chance against everyone on our schedule and well more than our OOC opponents other than the P5's depending on who that is.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If we match the number of four stars we signed this year every year we'll have between 18-21 four stars a year that are sophomores or older. We won't have the depth that Alabama has but we'll have enough to give us a chance against everyone on our schedule and well more than our OOC opponents other than the P5's depending on who that is.

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And if ark matches their 4-stars this season, they'll have 48 over a 4 year period

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And if ark matches their 4-stars this season, they'll have 48 over a 4 year period

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I thought you were and average per player guy.

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Originally Posted by Dildoes

I’ve been reading this board for a lot longer than I’ve been posting, and it’s pretty clear this Shotgun joker’s mental state is unstable at best. He’s had stretches of completely reasonable posting, but lately he definitely seems to be off his meds. Dude epitomizes manic-depressive episodes

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Anybody that averages 13 post a day, on a sports message board, every single day for 5 years, is not very stable. He really needs to get a life!

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I thought you were and average per player guy.

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Things I look at...
1. 4-stars or better is first thing I look at
2. Division ranking
3. Avg per recruit (when you severely undersign though this isn't as good a metric)
4. Conf ranking
5. National ranking

I don’t have a problem with Shotgun. I don’t agree with him, but there are worse guys on here.

If you throw personal attacks at a poster bc you disagree with them, perhaps you're the unstable one

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I don’t have a problem with Shotgun. I don’t agree with him, but there are worse guys on here.

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Thanks Cooter.

I'm think I'm a good guy. I just want to see MSU win a natty in my lifetime & I don't like the bullshit excuses & leniency that so many MSU fans give our coaches & administrators.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If you throw personal attacks at a poster bc you disagree with them, perhaps you're the unstable one

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This.

It's always been obvious to me that when posters throw out personal attacks, they don't have a leg to stand on in the argument.

I know this because I've/me/ myself has thrown out some personal attacks on occasion & it's when I lack a logical argument against the other person

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Some people are never going to be happy with Joe even if he goes 15-0 next year.

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What? Bullshit

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Things I look at...
1. 4-stars or better is first thing I look at
2. Division ranking
3. Avg per recruit (when you severely undersign though this isn't as good a metric)
4. Conf ranking
5. National ranking

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Ok. I'm sure if you did the metrics on Mullen for those categories you'd find he finished at the bottom of the division most years (with Ark). Still, we ended up with the talent we had this past year anyway due primarily to 1 class and some key juco signings. Moorhead getting off to a somewhat rocky start, but this class isn't too bad either. Strong on OL and DL. RB & WR are a disappointment for sure.

What gets me is that I am stupid enough to open any thread that Shotgun starts.

Well, DM's first 2 full classes ranked #30 and #41. JM is 27 and 23ish. While i would have liked to have seen a higher ranking, I'm not gonna throw him under the bus. I'll reserve judgement and see what he does with what he has. After all, everyone said DM just needed "his" players to fit his system. Same thing here.

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Originally Posted by CrosscityDawg

Well, DM's first 2 full classes ranked #30 and #41. JM is 27 and 23ish. While i would have liked to have seen a higher ranking, I'm not gonna throw him under the bus. I'll reserve judgement and see what he does with what he has. After all, everyone said DM just needed "his" players to fit his system. Same thing here.

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But Mullen was coming off the Croom era & Moorhead was coming off 8 straight bowl games. Complete apples to oranges

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

But Mullen was coming off the Croom era & Moorhead was coming off 8 straight bowl games. Complete apples to oranges

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Coming off Croom era wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be. 2009 class was mostly Croom's. Croom did much better in OL recruiting that Mullen ever did per rankings. And discipline was here ... unlike when Croom took over for Jackie. Croom's main fault was sticking with McCorvey.