John Cohen, it's time for you to do your job

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If he does leave, and thats IF. How any of you can blame Cohen is beyond me. The guy just signed him to an extension. What do you want John to do? Lock him in the football building?

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I see what you’re saying but it’s his responsibility at the end of the day. No one ever said being an AD at MSU is easy. We need someone that CAN solve these issues and Cohen is proving he cannot.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

We could have a wet paper bag coaching DL and be great. Saban is trying to disrupt this recruiting class because he is scared. The DL talent in Mississippi would make any coach look great. Just look at the nfl rosters.

This is about Saban trying to disrupt what he sees as his biggest threat in the West.

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Sweet Jesus, you're delusional.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Definitely not a big ole pay check that we could be paying him. So absolutely nothing. Yes, Bama is great, but these guys wouldn't go to Bama for a pay cut....If we want to make another step, we have to either use/find the money to pay the great coaches we get, OR admit that 7-8 wins with an occasional 9 is the absolute ceiling going forward and lower any and all expectations. It's pretty simple.

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Yes it is

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/i...tant_coac.html

Bama paid the last DL coach $750,000.

http://www.cdispatch.com/sports/article.asp?aid=70804

Baker, pre new contract, was making $375,000.

AD's love to hire former Saban assistants.

Bama has a far easier time recruiting top talent

So at Bama he will make a LOT more money, be in a better position to get promoted, and will have an easier time looking like a great DL coach.

1) Why on earth would he stay, and 2) do you really expect John to come up with Bama levels of money? Loafers couldn't do it, and neither could Byrne.

But yeah lets conclude that Cohen is terrible at his job at best and intentionally helping Bama at worst. And if we aren't drawing those conclusions about Cohen we'll say Moorhead has lost control because his staff are getting undeniably better job offers.

Get your heads out of you asses people. I get this sucks and we're emotional, but sometimes there's no clear person to blame. Our boosters are either relatively poor or have always been stingy no matter the AD. That's not Moorheads or Cohens fault. Really though what do you want them to do? Moorhead can't give them more money, Cohen can't give salaries the boosters won't pay for. If you say it's Cohens' job to raise funding then we have to levy the same criticism at literally ever AD we've ever had.

This isn't sunshine pumping. It's math. We don't have the money to compete. it's actually a far more depressing view than blaming a few fireable people. And it's because it's so final and demoralizing that so many of you can't accept it

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Good post

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I see what you’re saying but it’s his responsibility at the end of the day. No one ever said being an AD at MSU is easy. We need someone that CAN solve these issues and Cohen is proving he cannot.

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No AD in the country or head coach is going to always keep his assistants when they are sought after, esp by Nick Saban. You are blowing this way out of proportion. This happens to every single program from high school to the NFL. We will have DL talent and will make a good hire. Moorhead is a likable guy and people want to work with him, contrary to the mob around here that has already labeled him a failure

Nobody said pay them ALL Bama money....but the best ones you have to

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

No AD in the country or head coach is going to always keep his assistants when they are sought after, esp by Nick Saban. You are blowing this way out of proportion. This happens to every single program from high school to the NFL. We will have DL talent and will make a good hire. Moorhead is a likable guy and people want to work with him, contrary to the mob around here that has already labeled him a failure

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Does it happen to every program the weekend of their big DL recruiting visits?

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If he does leave, and thats IF. How any of you can blame Cohen is beyond me. The guy just signed him to an extension. What do you want John to do? Lock him in the football building?

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I never understand why everyone always wants to fire Cohen. The guy just became AD a year ago and so far I can't tell he has an established track record worth evaluating yet. And just to add something ... any coach we hire at MSU will be somewhat of a crap shoot (for sure in football). Mullen was. We have to take a chance on an up-and-comer coordinator ... which means there's always a chance they can't handle the HC position.

Funny that a coach who played at Bama and they offered the job, turned them down to stay at OM. But Baker is just improving his situation.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Does it happen to every program the weekend of their big DL recruiting visits?

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Maybe, maybe not. Im sure it has at some point. The timing is unfortunate but we havent lost a DL commit because of it. Pickering has said he is staying no matter what and Young was never committed. Moore was before all of this even happened.

Moorhead is a good recruiter, much better than the guy that yall wanted to proclaim as savior for half assing it most of his time here wanting to leave, and kept getting everything he couldve asked for.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Funny that a coach who played at Bama and they offered the job, turned them down to stay at OM. But Baker is just improving his situation.

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Pete Golding turned down the OM DC job earlier this year so it goes both ways. Roach must have beef with Saban

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Nobody said pay them ALL Bama money....but the best ones you have to

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Well I didn't think Marcus Johnson was that good but saban looked at him. How do you decide in advance who is saban worthy? Cause in all honesty, I thought Getsey was overpaid at his salary, but the packers didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It?s not your job to know what he could?ve done but it?s his job to figure that out.

MSU?s nuts have been severed in this recruiting cycle

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I know that you refuse to believe this but sometimes the answer to what could have been done is "nothing", at least in the short term. I would rehash what Saban and Bama have to sell that we don't, but it's been pointed out ad nauseam at this point.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Funny that a coach who played at Bama and they offered the job, turned them down to stay at OM. But Baker is just improving his situation.

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Yep. Our fan base will come up with every excuse in the book before admitting MAYBE somebody could have done a better job in our program. Blows my mind how it's always just poor MSU, and coaches & AD's are void of criticism. Why is that? It's strange

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well I didn't think Marcus Johnson was that good but saban looked at him. How do you decide in advance who is saban worthy? Cause in all honesty, I thought Getsey was overpaid at his salary, but the packers didn't think so.

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After this season and the early recruiting results....Shoop, Baker, and Johnson were the only ones deserving raises....and Baker would have gotten the biggest one if it were me. A school would have to highly overpay for those 3 to steal them if I were Cohen and Joe. Obviously you wouldn't have to raise Johnson as much as the others due to body of work being smaller...he's a little bit lesser known. But everyone agreed Baker was the biggest piece of our defensive puzzle. Should have overpaid the shit out of him

Would you rather be CEO of Piggly Wiggly or Walmart? Simple

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

I know that you refuse to believe this but sometimes the answer to what could have been done is "nothing", at least in the short term. I would rehash what Saban and Bama have to sell that we don't, but it's been pointed out ad nauseam at this point.

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In isolated circumstances, I agree but from the baseball hire to this football exodus, we are seeing a real trend.

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Originally Posted by Alphadog

Would you rather be CEO of Piggly Wiggly or Walmart? Simple

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Depends. Does Piggly Wiggly still give out green stamps so I can get some China? Or nice towels?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Nobody said pay them ALL Bama money....but the best ones you have to

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Nobody has poached Shoop. You know why? because he's the one we decided to pay top dollar to. We are following the strategy you say we should, we just don't have enough money to do it as well as you'd like

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

In isolated circumstances, I agree but from the baseball hire to this football exodus, we are seeing a real trend.

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How in the absolute **** can anyone know yet if the baseball hire was bad? We haven't played a ****ing game.