The key to the game will be how much the Iowa QB has to scramble or be forced from the pocket. special teams will be critical and I hope it does not rain.
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The key to the game will be how much the Iowa QB has to scramble or be forced from the pocket. special teams will be critical and I hope it does not rain.
I agree with that. Don’t let the play action catch you off balance and put pressure on him
Alabama’s best OL player is from IowaQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I was somewhat aware of that. Big rawboned, corn fed country boys that weigh about 260 or so in HS but can grow bigger works pretty good when recruiting for Olinemen. I always wanted Mullen to go up into the midwest towards Iowa and hunt for Olinemen. He didn't like to recruit further than 200 or so mile radius to Starkville tho. Moorhead seems to be more inclined to do something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeyegoofball
300lb DT?s who run 4.7 40’s? Most are in the 4.9-5.2 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
The only people who say that are the ones that never played the game past junior high. Very, very few do that and OL/DL isn?t an issue in the Big 10 or SEC.
Both OT’s are sophomores and will end up in the NFL. We’d have three but James Daniels left early and is a starter for the Bears
Let me rephrase. Bama's Oline is just ok. They suck compared to the 2012 line and it ain't close. And they really aren't that good at that. When you have to grab Ga's Dline by their arms as they're blowing past you to protect Hurts, they just ain't that good. They get to hold more than everyone else gets to. See AU TD that was called back against Bama for a reference point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I think our Oline can run block much better than Bama's ... when they ain't confused about whether it's a run or pass.
Our own coach, who was an OC in the Big 10 for two years prior, has said the biggest adjustment to him with his offensive philosophy is accounting for the strength and speed of the DL in the SEC. It's a big difference and it's no joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Recreationalgynecologist
I have long wished that State would recruit the midwest for OLs. Ability and talent on your offensive line is not the issue. Preparing for the type of talent you're going to see on the defensive line is the issue. Your guys can't hit the gym hard for one month, or replicate it in practice to prepare for it. Going through the SEC gauntlet week in and week out is what prepares you for it. You have great coaches and some good talent so I'm sure y'all will try to scheme against it, but it's going to be a big hurdle to overcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Recreationalgynecologist
I figure y'all probably put Olinemen in the league at least at the same rate and maybe a higher rate than Bama. What you don't see every game are Dlines across the board that are big and as fast as SEC. And you haven't seen one this year like ours. But y'all do produce quality NFL linemen without a doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Recreationalgynecologist
There are a lot of good, large framed lads in the midwest. Southern teams are missing the boat if they're not recruiting the midwest for big boys in the trenches (OL specifically...I think they've got it down on the DL side of things)...also, add in the work ethic and humility for these guys and it becomes a no brainer. The trick is identifying, attracting and developing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
A lot of Iowa's linemen are leaner than say, Wisconsin, when they get on campus...and many of them are TEs or QBs or DL in high school...but we get them on campus, put them through good S&C and have coaches who are rock solid at technique and fundamentals.
You'll see Iowa's line on Jan 1. and at first sight they won't look that big, but more like a group of power forwards. They're tall, but lean...300Lbs+ lean. And they have good feet, allowing Iowa to run zone blocking schemes. Completely different from the Badgers, who have a lot of girth/heft and work the philosophy over overpowering the opponent by mass. Either philosophy can work.
Badgers are pretty good laterally too. They?re also fairly tall and lean, they just don?t have a great QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeyegoofball
They tend to have stiff hips and not move well in space, which may explain why they have less than 1/2 dozen OL in the NFL in spite of the reputation on the line they hold within the NCAA. And they'll have fewer as the NFL game evolves offensively....quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Recreationalgynecologist
I do agree that their QB sucks.
Peace.
Like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeyegoofball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z4GgjkQKDI
No, talking about the OL. Got any video on your AA center?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I was just trying to get a image of what you think tall 300 pound guy with good feet look like. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightHawk
I'm just trying to be a smartass:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I am with you and I can take it just like I can dish it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightHawk
Appreciate that definitely. Check out AJ Epenesa for a comp to Simmons. Still just a sophomore, but really coming into his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Simmons is excellent. Along with Sweat and Abraham. Dantlzer is a very good player as well. Would love to have dudes like that playing for Iowa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Comparing an OL and a DL is fairly ridiculous at any level - if you want to highlight athleticism, by and large the DL is going to win out from a visual perspective, especially when you compare/contrast B1G and SEC. No question...SEC and DL overall are the winners. But, we're good.
And, no, Iowa doesn't have a DL like Simmons.
Other than Gabe Jackson, is there another Mississippi State former player/alumnus who currently plays on the OL for an NFL team? Having watched quite a bit of MSU video from this year, doesn't look like OL is a priority (and with due respect, your first year coach Joe Moorhead needs time to recruit and integrate his guys).
To paraphrase Dean Wormer from Animal House: "Drunk, fat and stupid is no way to run an offensive line".
Having fun. :)
PS. Abraham is a potential liability for this game, just in terms of the play action Iowa implements and his overall aggressiveness. Happens to the best of them (See Bob Sanders, Iowa, 2004 Outback Bowl vs. Florida - former D player of the year NFL as a safety with the Colts - complete land-based missile, like Abraham). There is risk at that spot.