I have heard a lot of reports coming out of the athletic office this week...

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10-05-2018, 01:17 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BhamDawg205

Let's say Johnson is that bad... It falls back to JoMo's scheme. If he observes O lineman out of position on certain plays. He should step in an correct it. JoMo should let his OC do his job and oversee implementation as a whole.

Joe IS the OC.
10-05-2018, 07:14 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

All I?m saying is this...my information is pretty damn accurate. The team wants KT just like they wanted Damian. Fitz fits one offense and one offense only and that?s Mullen?s.

And to go with Bucky..the practices are soft. Look at where most of the guys come from- 2 NFL guys (who don?t have to stay on guys as hard), a D-3 school QB coach, and a OL coach from Duke. Screams soft.

I wonder if having those NFL guys hurt by downplaying the importance of each game in the season? They?re used to just trying to make it to the playoffs.
10-05-2018, 07:24 AM
Hambone

The team does not want KT over Fitz. Hell, if they do this team is further lost than expected. KT is lost in the playbook
10-05-2018, 07:34 AM
BhamDawg205

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Joe IS the OC.

There lies the problem... Too much on his plate and FYI Luke Getsy is listed as OC/ WR coach
https://hailstate.com/coaches.aspx?r...&path=football
10-05-2018, 08:31 AM
EdDawg

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

The Greys were not under Pickett. They were under Gen Pettigrew. Both Pickett and Pettigrew were Division Commanders in Longstreet Corps during Picketts charge.

Pettigrew was a division commander under Hill (received command of the division after Heth was wounded.) Trimble's division was under Hill as well, which is why Longstreet thought Hill should lead the attack since 2 of the 3 divisions were under Hill.

Longstreet had his chance at Gettysburg on Day 2, but issued a countermarch on a narrow road that cost half the day to get into position. His attack still was brutal, but he allowed more federal troops to arrive before the attack.
10-05-2018, 09:28 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by EdDawg

Pettigrew was a division commander under Hill (received command of the division after Heth was wounded.) Trimble's division was under Hill as well, which is why Longstreet thought Hill should lead the attack since 2 of the 3 divisions were under Hill.

Longstreet had his chance at Gettysburg on Day 2, but issued a countermarch on a narrow road that cost half the day to get into position. His attack still was brutal, but he allowed more federal troops to arrive before the attack.

Lee should have listened to Longstreet. He should have tried to get between Meade and Washington and forced Meade to attack him. The Union position at Gettysburg was immensely strong. Lee slipped from the ranks of truely great generals in my mind the first time I went to Gettysburg and saw the ground. I think he fell into the trap of thinking he and his army were invincible.
10-05-2018, 09:55 AM
EdDawg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Lee should have listened to Longstreet. He should have tried to get between Meade and Washington and forced Meade to attack him. The Union position at Gettysburg was immensely strong. Lee slipped from the ranks of truely great generals in my mind the first time I went to Gettysburg and saw the ground. I think he fell into the trap of thinking he and his army were invincible.

There are a lot of decisions that could have been made differently. This would probably be a great discussion to have on the BS board as I don't want to hijack this thread too much, and history being one of my favorite topics.
10-05-2018, 11:50 AM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by BhamDawg205

There lies the problem... Too much on his plate and FYI Luke Getsy is listed as OC/ WR coach
https://hailstate.com/coaches.aspx?r...&path=football

You are correct, but ask Getsy and he will tell you that JoeMo calls the plays. JoeMo may get some input from other coaches, but he makes the final play call.
10-05-2018, 12:06 PM
Maroonthirteen

I’m a firm believer in Jimmies and Joes win games. We have failed to execute some big plays. But this offensive product is on Joe. The product is terrible right now. That’s All a coaching problem. Grantham kicked Joe ass last week.
10-05-2018, 12:20 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Maybe, just maybe, we weren't that talented to begin with (on offense, obviously)....

This is just a crazy talking point. We knew we had question marks at WR, but these players moved the ball with no receivers last year against everybody but UGA and Auburn and to a lesser extent Bama. We should have been able to grind out points on the ground this year against everybody but Auburn and Bama and maybe LSU and A&M.

We had basically 8 wins locked up if we just didn't screw up the running game this year. Give our offense any help at all and we probably win the UK game something like 24-14 and UF game something similar or worse. I get people not wanting to act like the sky if falling because we have not been successful at transitioning offenses, but this is primarily a coaching failure. We have tools on offense that and they've been unable to utilize them. Certainly UK and UF would have switched offensive rosters with us in a heartbeat if they'd been given the opportunity before the season.
10-05-2018, 12:30 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Hambone

The team does not want KT over Fitz. Hell, if they do this team is further lost than expected. KT is lost in the playbook

Yeah, but what does it matter? It's a good thread to initiate on a MSU Messageboard. Really helps our recruiting too. ****
10-05-2018, 01:18 PM
Bodaski

I wouldn't think your starting SR QB being suspended for the 1st game is a very good example of a leader either. I had a bad feeling about leadership when this news broke. Crap like this plays with the pshycy of a team, whether you think so or not.
10-05-2018, 01:20 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by EdDawg

Pettigrew was a division commander under Hill (received command of the division after Heth was wounded.) Trimble's division was under Hill as well, which is why Longstreet thought Hill should lead the attack since 2 of the 3 divisions were under Hill.

Longstreet had his chance at Gettysburg on Day 2, but issued a countermarch on a narrow road that cost half the day to get into position. His attack still was brutal, but he allowed more federal troops to arrive before the attack.

Long Streets Corps had three divisions one under Hood, one under McLaws and the other under Pickett. Hood and McClaws were badly damage the second day but Pickett did not arrive until the night of the second day. Lee wanted Longstreet to lead the charge in the Center on the third day. So Lee gave Longstreet two Divisions that were under Trimble and Pettigrew at the time to give Hood and Mclaw a break and to keep Longstreet's Corps up to strength. The 11th Mississippi Regiment in which the Oxford Greys was a company of was part of Pettigrew Divison. The entire Regiment was wiped out.
10-05-2018, 03:24 PM
EdDawg

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Long Streets Corps had three divisions one under Hood, one under McLaws and the other under Pickett. Hood and McClaws were badly damage the second day but Pickett did not arrive until the night of the second day. Lee wanted Longstreet to lead the charge in the Center on the third day. So Lee gave Longstreet two Divisions that were under Trimble and Pettigrew at the time to give Hood and Mclaw a break and to keep Longstreet's Corps up to strength. The 11th Mississippi Regiment in which the Oxford Greys was a company of was part of Pettigrew Divison. The entire Regiment was wiped out.

Longstreet was given the responsibility for the attack and placed in charge, but Pettigrew and Trimble's divisions were never formally in the 1st Corps. This type of thing actually happened a good bit where commanders would ask for brigades/divisions from other leaders in battle.

Longstreet did not want to take overall leadership for the attack because 2 of the divisions belonged to Hill's 3rd Corps.

Yes Longstreet's other divisions were heavily engaged the July 2nd, but no division were formally reorganized into another corps.

I know when longstreet's divisions arrived, my statement about his chance on the July 2 was separate from the Pickett's charge comment.

By the way there are great battlefield walk videos on YouTube from Gettysburgnps. Ranger Matt Atkinson is from Mississippi and is a great listen in his battlefield walks and lectures.

I started a Gettysburg thread on the BS board if anyone wanted to discuss that part of history in detail. Jack, I think you and I are basically on the same page but just discussing semantics.
10-05-2018, 03:45 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by EdDawg

Longstreet was given the responsibility for the attack and placed in charge, but Pettigrew and Trimble's divisions were never formally in the 1st Corps. This type of thing actually happened a good bit where commanders would ask for brigades/divisions from other leaders in battle.

Longstreet did not want to take overall leadership for the attack because 2 of the divisions belonged to Hill's 3rd Corps.

Yes Longstreet's other divisions were heavily engaged the July 2nd, but no division were formally reorganized into another corps.

I know when longstreet's divisions arrived, my statement about his chance on the July 2 was separate from the Pickett's charge comment.

By the way there are great battlefield walk videos on YouTube from Gettysburgnps. Ranger Matt Atkinson is from Mississippi and is a great listen in his battlefield walks and lectures.

My original statement was that the Greys were not under Pickett. Pickett was not in charge during the charge on the center of the third day but Longstreet was. Why they called it Picketts charge is debatable but I think it was really to protect Longstreets name. The Greys were under Pettigrew but did get wiped out. I wasn't trying to argue I was just pointing out that the 11th Mississippi was not brigade with a Virginia Regiments. Picketts division only had infantry regiments and artillery batteries from Virginia.
10-05-2018, 03:56 PM
BhamDawg205

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

You are correct, but ask Getsy and he will tell you that JoeMo calls the plays. JoeMo may get some input from other coaches, but he makes the final play call.

That's the point, he's so involved in play calling he's slipping in the attention to detail department. Show me a successful program where the head coach is bogged down in coordinating duties. He should be walking around holding his staff accountable for not implementing his vision correctly.
10-05-2018, 04:19 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BhamDawg205

That's the point, he's so involved in play calling he's slipping in the attention to detail department. Show me a successful program where the head coach is bogged down in coordinating duties. He should be walking around holding his staff accountable for not implementing his vision correctly.

Uh...Mullen here for the last 9 years called the plays. Lincoln Riley is at OK. Several pro coaches do it and are very successful. Payton, McCarthy, Pederson to name 3
10-05-2018, 05:37 PM
Barkman Turner Overdrive

You are always so full of sh1t!

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Originally Posted by 99jc

This booster is a well know female, a 7 figure donor, a 3rd generation alumni booster and according to her was family friends with the Vaults.

She stated 3 things that really got my attention.
1) She stated that most prominent boosters do not blame Miss State or any of our players for their problems. It was that Hugh Freeze and Alabama that was responsible.
2) They (the boosters) did not have a problem with the ca$h or other material things provided the players but the providing of prostitution for players was unacceptable.
3) They were informed that the NCAA had indeed put the death penalty on the table if the evidence came to light on the prostitution. She went on about The prostitution stuff for a while.

I asked her what they felt was going to happen. She said the president and Ross B. Have eluded that multi year bowl bans, severe scholarship reductions, forfeiture of games, loss of bowl revenue received, among other things should be expected. She then said the program was at the bottom of the barrel and would soon be under the barrel. She then said if the prostitution charges were proved many prominent boosters would immediately stop their contributions.

Nothing really new here but it's the 1st time someone with real insight on the university ( not what some dumbass poster on nafoom thinks) has been this truthful. It just reaffirms what we all felt and know is going to happen.

Click an Add Shitbirds.
10-05-2018, 09:22 PM
3rdGen

I think this a stupid ****ing thread and I think you morons going on a bout greys and generals should STFU and take that shit to a different board. But that’s just my opinion. Lock this shit out and delete it. If I want a war lesson I will go to a war museum.
10-06-2018, 02:11 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Go ask your source then what he thinks.

And you?re really dumb as hell if you think 1?s practice against each other on game weeks outside of HS ball. It?s obvious you don?t know how the college game works. Stay in Rankin county.

If players on the team are bitching about it then its probably a problem. This isnt the NFL. You have to prepare in practice. Im sorry you must be Moorhead or his wife. Rankin county is pretty badass btw. Aint a team in rankin county coached as bad as MS State is rn

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