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10-03-2018, 10:03 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

Correct. Both of these things being entirely different than we thought can be attributed to the coaching staff.

Because the Fitz of last year would be a Heisman candidate right now.

And this is my point re: McSorley vs. Fitz. It's easy to look and say, 'well, Fitzgerald just sucks now.'

Which is more likely, that Fitzgerald suddenly became much worse, or the new coaching staff can't figure out how to make our offense productive?

Not unless he passed the ball better.
10-03-2018, 10:04 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Mullen's Florida isn't an improvement from McElwain's teams. That's the standard they fired the last guy at. Not the standard of an interim coach.

Dude, you compare them to what they did last year. Your hatred blinds you.
10-03-2018, 10:05 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

Correct. Both of these things being entirely different than we thought can be attributed to the coaching staff.

Because the Fitz of last year would be a Heisman candidate right now.

And this is my point re: McSorley vs. Fitz. It's easy to look and say, 'well, Fitzgerald just sucks now.'

Which is more likely, that Fitzgerald suddenly became much worse, or the new coaching staff can't figure out how to make our offense productive?

Fitz isn't the same Fitz since having his ankle broken. Honestly it's crazy that everyone just expected him to be the same exact guy 10 months later after a horrific on the field injury. He wasn't able to practice fully till August and his confidence is probably shot to shit right now. You think opposing defenses ain't reminding him of that ankle injury every time they tackle his legs right now?
10-03-2018, 10:06 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Not unless he passed the ball better.

Sure, but he would have had an even better grasp of the offense. The likelihood of him improving his passing numbers was pretty high, as most QBs do.

A Mississippi State team QB leading the SEC in total offense would absolutely be a Heisman candidate as long as we were undefeated.
10-03-2018, 10:07 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Fitz isn't the same Fitz since having his ankle broken. Honestly it's crazy that everyone just expected him to be the same exact guy 10 months later after a horrific on the field injury. He wasn't able to practice fully till August and his confidence is probably shot to shit right now. You think opposing defenses ain't reminding him of that ankle injury every time they tackle his legs right now?

He doesn't look any different once he gets open space to me. The difference is he lacks confidence, struggles to find open space, and is getting sacked more.
10-03-2018, 10:07 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Rough one for you you mean, you missed the "and did" obviously. He was no Heisman candidate before the season either.

Vegas doesn't put odds on non-candidates. No point of your "and did" as he's obviously no longer a candidate today.
10-03-2018, 10:10 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Dude, you compare them to what they did last year. Your hatred blinds you.

I don't hate Mullen but you absolutely compare Mullen to McElwain and even Muschamp. At no point in time do you compare him to an interim coach's name I don't even know without googling it. You're bending the goalposts to make Mullen look better when you do that.
10-03-2018, 10:10 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He lost to Mark Stoops in Gainesville 3 weeks ago. First time Florida has lost to Kentucky in 31 years. He should of lost to us with our horrendous offense 4 days ago if Osirus could catch a gift. Let's not go building the myth legend of Mullen into Saban now.

And going by recruiting rankings, there is more talent on FL's team than ours or KYs.

ETA: Not saying Mullen ain't a good coach and I tried to caution everyone preseason to not just pencil that W in for that game.
10-03-2018, 10:14 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

He doesn't look any different once he gets open space to me. The difference is he lacks confidence, struggles to find open space, and is getting sacked more.

That's a lot of downsides you just listed. How often has he gotten into open space this year vs the two SEC opponents we've faced? He's also majorly struggling to run the offense at a fast pace. I don't mean to pile on Fitz right now but he has been bad and it needs to be said if everyone is gonna be melting on Moorhead instead.
10-03-2018, 10:35 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

That's a lot of downsides you just listed. How often has he gotten into open space this year vs the two SEC opponents we've faced? He's also majorly struggling to run the offense at a fast pace. I don't mean to pile on Fitz right now but he has been bad and it needs to be said if everyone is gonna be melting on Moorhead instead.

Not very often, and that's the problem.

And he's not running the offense at a fast pace because it doesn't seem like it can be run at a fast pace. Not when the whole offense is looking over to the sideline all the time. That's not a QB decision, that is the way it's designed.

Of course he's been bad. But when he was really good last year and absolutely dreadful this year, I'm going to put the majority of the blame on the thing that has changed - the offensive scheme and coaching staff.
10-03-2018, 10:39 AM
sleepy dawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Of all the things Moorhead has done, this has pissed me off the most. To replace Aeris to me, Kylin would've had to be WAY better than him, and he ain't. Is he faster ... yes. But he don't have the vision, can't shed the tackles, and can't pass block either.

If we give Aeris the ball 40% of the time in last 2 games, we win those games. And if he plays 75% of the snaps, we also complete more passes.

Kylin over Aries is the least of our problems. There are way more impactful "if" scenarios that changed the last 2 games than those which of those 2 got the most time between them. They are both among the best and most talented players we have.
10-03-2018, 11:18 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

Not very often, and that's the problem.

And he's not running the offense at a fast pace because it doesn't seem like it can be run at a fast pace. Not when the whole offense is looking over to the sideline all the time. That's not a QB decision, that is the way it's designed.

Of course he's been bad. But when he was really good last year and absolutely dreadful this year, I'm going to put the majority of the blame on the thing that has changed - the offensive scheme and coaching staff.

By far my least favorite aspect of Moorhead so far is the entire roster checking with daddy to tell them the play taking up 3000 seconds at a clip. One thing I admire about Auburn and Gus is how fast he runs the offense. They get half their yards every game because they snap the ball so fast while the defense is confused and out of position. Nobody will ever be out of position on us when we give them half a century to get ready and aligned correctly. Moorhead micromanages every single play and then at the same exact time says he gives Fitz the freedom to choose RPO. That makes no damn sense. That's like your girlfriend telling you don't cheat but at the same time hands you a box of rubbers and drops you off at the strip club as she tells you to have fun.
10-03-2018, 11:29 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Vegas doesn't put odds on non-candidates. No point of your "and did" as he's obviously no longer a candidate today.

Vegas has no say in who is a candidate.
10-03-2018, 11:29 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

He doesn't look any different once he gets open space to me. The difference is he lacks confidence, struggles to find open space, and is getting sacked more.

Yep
10-03-2018, 11:30 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't hate Mullen but you absolutely compare Mullen to McElwain and even Muschamp. At no point in time do you compare him to an interim coach's name I don't even know without googling it. You're bending the goalposts to make Mullen look better when you do that.

No I'm not. You look at what a team was the year before. You don't want to do it because it makes Mullen look better, and that goes against your faith.
10-03-2018, 11:32 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

That's a lot of downsides you just listed. How often has he gotten into open space this year vs the two SEC opponents we've faced? He's also majorly struggling to run the offense at a fast pace. I don't mean to pile on Fitz right now but he has been bad and it needs to be said if everyone is gonna be melting on Moorhead instead.

The pace the offense is being run at has nothing to do with Fitz. He is doing what he is supposed to be doing in this scheme. You are totally clueless.
10-03-2018, 11:41 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Vegas has no say in who is a candidate.

Then go by the media genius. I'm not pulling it outta my ass that Fitz was listed as a heisman candidate coming into the season. Look it up google boy.
10-03-2018, 11:46 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No I'm not. You look at what a team was the year before. You don't want to do it because it makes Mullen look better, and that goes against your faith.

Yea the standard that Mullen will be compared to from here on is how Randy Shannon did as an interim coach in 2017. Moron.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The pace the offense is being run at has nothing to do with Fitz. He is doing what he is supposed to be doing in this scheme. You are totally clueless.

Ever heard of a 2 minute drill there clueless guy? Who do you think is most responsible for speeding up the offense during a 2 minute drill? The same principle applies throughout the entire game. If the offense is taking forever it's the QB and the play caller that need to speed everything up. He's the QB and he can get everyone lined up and ready to go faster than anyone in the stadium.
10-03-2018, 11:46 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Then go by the media genius. I'm not pulling it outta my ass that Fitz was listed as a heisman candidate coming into the season. Look it up google boy.

Well, If you have to google your thoughts...……………...
10-03-2018, 11:51 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Yea the standard that Mullen will be compared to from here on is how Randy Shannon did as an interim coach in 2017. Moron.

Ever heard of a 2 minute drill there clueless guy? Who do you think is most responsible for speeding up the offense during a 2 minute drill? The same principle applies throughout the entire game. If the offense is taking forever it's the QB and the play caller that need to speed everything up. He's the QB and he can get everyone lined up and ready to go faster than anyone in the stadium.

No, the standard he will be compared to at Florida is Steve Spurrier. Even somebody like you ought to know that. The improvement from the previous year is still remarkable.

Fitz is doing what he is told to do. He ain't controlling the tempo at all. Have you been to a game yet? If you had you would/should know. All you have to do is watch How we do what we do.

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