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Mullen got an extra cream puff every year too. He was .500 vs our rival. Lost to S.AL. And is the only coach I can remember us having that never beat AL. He was a solid coach but nothing great. Talked more than he achieved. Gave up end of the season every year. Without 2014, we wouldn’t even care.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Our standing money wise vs the rest of the SEC hasn't changed a bit. Nor have our facilities.

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Maybe you should read my post again, slowly, and understand why that does not matter. When your budget gets into the hundreds of millions of dollars, everyone has nice shit and money is not an issue. When we had Sherrill’s budget, we had facilities that looked like something out of The Waterboy.

Dan Mullen won 10 more games over his 9 years than Sherrill. He had 9 extra regular season games and a bowl game with a losing record.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Maybe you should read my post again, slowly, and understand why that does not matter. When your budget gets into the hundreds of millions of dollars, everyone has nice shit and money is not an issue. When we had Sherrill’s budget, we had facilities that looked like something out of The Waterboy.

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But it does matter. The rest of the SEC's facilities are still, relativity speaking, about the same level above ours as they ever were. What I WILL give you is that ours are exponentially improved vs the non-Power 5 (I'm referring to YOU USM) and much improved relative to most of the non-SEC.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

But it does matter. The rest of the SEC's facilities are still, relativity speaking, about the same level above ours as they ever were. What I WILL give you is that ours are exponentially improved vs the non-Power 5 (I'm referring to YOU USM) and much improved relative to most of the non-SEC.

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No they are not. When a recruit walks into our stadium or our facilities they do not ask why we don’t have the same things everyone else has. At a certain point, facilities just become nice. We have not lost a recruit due to facilities since the Seal complex was built. It doesn’t give us a leg up, but it doesn’t make us start out the recruiting process with our hands behind our back like every other coach had to do. Mullen was given every single facilities upgrade he wanted. We are not losing recruits because of facilities or because we have a stadium that looks like a high school venue any more.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Mullen got an extra cream puff every year too. He was .500 vs our rival. Lost to S.AL. And is the only coach I can remember us having that never beat AL. He was a solid coach but nothing great. Talked more than he achieved. Gave up end of the season every year. Without 2014, we wouldn’t even care.

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I swear some of y'all sound like that guy that just got dumped by a trophy wife with a bigger bank account than yours. Y'all are just looking for stuff to make it look better. Dan did a great job here, and he is no longer here. I'm more like, she is gone but it was damn good while it lasted, thank you mam! ...on to the next one.

Seriously it's the first time that most of us remember a football coach actually leaving us for another job on his own initiative. I'm in my 50's and my parents hadn't even MET the last time that happened. I don't think we have EVER have one do it that stayed as long as Mullen did. They have been few and far between in ANY sport. That my friends, tells you all you really need to know about how good a job Mullen did here, if you look at it realistically and unemotionally. It is an ENORMOUS step in the right direction for MSU Football.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

No they are not. When a recruit walks into our stadium or our facilities they do not ask why we don’t have the same things everyone else has. At a certain point, facilities just become nice. We have not lost a recruit due to facilities since the Seal complex was built. It doesn’t give us a leg up, but it doesn’t make us start out the recruiting process with our hands behind our back like every other coach had to do. Mullen was given every single facilities upgrade he wanted. We are not losing recruits because of facilities or because we have a stadium that looks like a high school venue any more.

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Dude we DON'T have the same things most of the SEC has. Don't be a provincial.

Mullen was a step in the right direction. I don’t think anyone denies that. He just isn’t a great coach. He’s pretty good, and had advantages no other state coach has ever had, like I just pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yes, and he deserves credit for that. If we had a 100 million dollar budget for the past 100 years, we would not be praising him near as much because we would have had better facilities and hired better coaches long before he got here. Like I said, he came at the perfect time. And before you say it, I know our budget is still last in the conference, but we don?t lose kids to other programs because of facilities nor do we lose coaches due to money any more in any sport. There comes a point where more money has diminishing returns and college football in the SEC is starting to hit that point.

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Agreed. I believe The Kang, until outside forces and his losing control of our team towards the end, would've put us easily in the upper echelon of the SEC... maybe sooner if he could've beat the downtrodden LSU teams of the '90s.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I swear some of y'all sound like that guy that just got dumped by a trophy wife with a bigger bank account than yours. Y'all are just looking for stuff to make it look better. Dan did a great job here, and he is no longer here. I'm more like, she is gone but it was damn good while it lasted, thank you mam! ...on to the next one.

Seriously it's the first time that most of us remember a football coach actually leaving us for another job on his own initiative. I'm in my 50's and my parents hadn't even MET the last time that happened. I don't think we have EVER have one do it that stayed as long as Mullen did. They have been few and far between in ANY sport. That my friends, tells you all you really need to know about how good a job Mullen did here, if you look at it realistically and unemotionally. It is an ENORMOUS step in the right direction for MSU Football.

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Hev? That you?
He stayed because he couldn’t get a job til his buddy offered. He was TN’s 10th option.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Dude we DON'T have the same things most of the SEC has. Don't be a provincial.

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We have things close enough that recruits are no longer turning us down because of facilities. If you need proof, look at how much our recruiting improved while Mullen was here and now Moorhead as well.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Mullen was a step in the right direction. I don’t think anyone denies that. He just isn’t a great coach. He’s pretty good, and had advantages no other state coach has ever had, like I just pointed out.

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When he was good, he was very good (see LSU last year). But when he was not focused, like 2-3 OM games, we would not look at all the same... with the same players.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We have things close enough that recruits are no longer turning us down because of facilities. If you need proof, look at how much our recruiting improved while Mullen was here and now Moorhead as well.

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And you know this how? Again, it's all relative. We are still about where we always were in the SEC when it comes to the things money buys. I will give you that USM isn't picking off guys because their facilities are close to ours anymore.

I know this because our average recruiting ranking went up 9 spots under Mullen, which coincides with our facilities upgrades, and Moorhead is recruiting even better. Mullen is recruiting at the same level at Florida as he did here. He inherited a transition class last year at Florida that was loaded and it dropped to around 13 even after closing well. He’s not recruiting any better this year at Florida than he did at MSU.

It’s not all relative. When your competitors are buying Lambos and you are buying accords you have no chance. When your competition is buying lambos amd Ferraris and you are just buying lambos, you have a shot.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That's totally asinine. Dan's gone. I just didn't want us to look stupid by firing the guy. Now I hope JoMo is the next irreplaceable coach. Do you get my drift now?

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I don't recall ever saying that we should fire Dan or anyone else. I do recall saying I don't care if he left and it would be the best thing for both MSU and Dan if he just left. And I'm VERY happy he did.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I know this because our average recruiting ranking went up 9 spots under Mullen, which coincides with our facilities upgrades, and Moorhead is recruiting even better. Mullen is recruiting at the same level at Florida as he did here. He inherited a transition class last year at Florida that was loaded and it dropped to around 13 even after closing well. He’s not recruiting any better this year at Florida than he did at MSU.

It’s not all relative. When your competitors are buying Lambos and you are buying accords you have no chance. When your competition is buying lambos amd Ferraris and you are just buying lambos, you have a shot.

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You're absolutely killing it. Dan is what he is- average to above average. He was VERY fortunate to be at a school that has a relatively bad history and also has an extremely patient fan base in football. As I think he is about to find out.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Hev? That you?
He stayed because he couldn’t get a job til his buddy offered. He was TN’s 10th option.

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Nope. Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I know this because our average recruiting ranking went up 9 spots under Mullen, which coincides with our facilities upgrades, and Moorhead is recruiting even better. Mullen is recruiting at the same level at Florida as he did here. He inherited a transition class last year at Florida that was loaded and it dropped to around 13 even after closing well. He’s not recruiting any better this year at Florida than he did at MSU.

It’s not all relative. When your competitors are buying Lambos and you are buying accords you have no chance. When your competition is buying lambos amd Ferraris and you are just buying lambos, you have a shot.

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Lol, another perfect example. We are still exactly where we always have been money wise in the SEC. you gave an imperfect analogy. The upper echelon of the SEC are dabbling in Fomula One. We are buying 911s off the lot. In the old days they were buying 911s and we were buying base RX-7s.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You're absolutely killing it. Dan is what he is- average to above average. He was VERY fortunate to be at a school that has a relatively bad history and also has an extremely patient fan base in football. As I think he is about to find out.

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Yep, he is. But he isn't killing what you and him think. Discard your emotions. Think rationally. I hope JoMo is reviled for the same reasons when HE leaves. That really WOULD be a huge step toward what we all want.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

But it does matter. The rest of the SEC's facilities are still, relativity speaking, about the same level above ours as they ever were. What I WILL give you is that ours are exponentially improved vs the non-Power 5 (I'm referring to YOU USM) and much improved relative to most of the non-SEC.

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No, their facilities are not. Our facilities are above Vandy, OM, UF, KY, Arky and Mo at least. If UGA hasn't gotten their IPF, we would be on par with them. Some of them have larger stadiums, but larger is not better.