Is There a Bigger Eye Sore in Power 5 CFB Than the M-Club Building?

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

I do like the idea of increasing premium seating in the South Endzone, but there are some other projects that need to be done first.. like renovating the east side concourse/concession area.. that's long overdue

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But none of those are seen by millions of people on TV.

You're wanting to fix the inside of the garage before fixing the front porch

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

But none of those are seen by millions of people on TV.

You're wanting to fix the inside of the garage before fixing the front porch

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Then quit watching on TV....go to the game in person and you won't have to be one of the "millions". The south end zone should not be the top priority.

The only thing that disappointed me in that structure was they sort of goofed by not building it further towards the junction by about a 100 feet. The last two sections on each side of the southern end of the stadium cannot see the board and the sections next to them have to strain their neck to see it.....and the answer was to build another jumbotron on the north end of the stadium. So we spent around 15 million (from what I hear) to build that gigantic south end jumbotron. Now we are going to tear it down....hmmm.....we must be flush with dough. There's a unique concept in most really good engineering schools and in good engineering itself. It's called planning. Sometimes I wonder if we teach our grads about planning and the costs of poor or no planning for at least 20 years down the road.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

But none of those are seen by millions of people on TV.

You're wanting to fix the inside of the garage before fixing the front porch

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Cool. They're seen by me 6-7 times a year. I'd like something done about it before I witness some old timer break a hip trying to go to the bathroom or get a hotdog.. but glad you have your priorities straight

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

The trend will definitely be toward more luxury. Chair backs will be the next major trend - and not the BS clip-on kind most stadiums have now. I've sat in them at MSU, UGA, and UF. They are all squeezed in too tight, are not comfortable, and wear out pretty fast. We could figure out the lower bowl capacity with real seats and keep it relatively the same with a SE addition, build the End Zone lofts above it, and still have future expansion capacity with a north endzone 2nd deck. I'd pay more per game for a real seat with cupholders in a heartbeat. You will make the money on the Endzone Lofts to pay for most of the expansion.

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I've been advocating chairbacks in place of all bleacher seats. Even if it means we drop back to an even 60,000 capacity. More leg room, escalators to move more people faster. Then after a few years, look at adding in the south endzone or evening up the two upper decks to match each other. I think 65K will be our top bar for the next 10-15 years. Make the stadium more comfortable, easy to get around, and just plain enjoyable. We are now competing directly with the 60" flat screen HD tv in your living room with the fridge and bathroom only a room away.....plus all with air conditioning,

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Cool. They're seen by me 6-7 times a year. I'd like something done about it before I witness some old timer break a hip trying to go to the bathroom or get a hotdog.. but glad you have your priorities straight

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My priorities are for the greater good of university & that is to fix the M-club, something far more visual, before working underneath the stadium.

Who's to say your priorities are correct?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

My priorities are for the greater good of university & that is to fix the M-club, something far more visual, before working underneath the stadium.

Who's to say your priorities are correct?

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Oh ok $$$$>fan safety

Yep, you've got them straight

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Oh ok $$$$>fan safety

Yep, you've got them straight

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Really, fan safety because you saw an old man fall?

I've never in my life walked underneath the East side of the stadium & felt unsafe. I've seen people trip in the Junction as well. Perhaps we should make sure that is perfectly level before we do anything*

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Really, fan safety because you saw an old man fall?

I've never in my life walked underneath the East side of the stadium & felt unsafe. I've seen people trip in the Junction as well. Perhaps we should make sure that is perfectly level before we do anything*

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You're seriously trying to argue money is more important than fan safety.. Take a step back.. you don't have the moral high ground on this one.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It looks terrible on TV and looks cheap

Have some self awareness people. You can't move forward when you're delusional about the present

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M Club looks fine but I do find it entertaining when you want to spend $30 million of MSU's money.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We've got money and I think sprucing up the front porch of the school is of the upmost importance.

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I think it's about 1,000th on the list but maybe if you type it 400 more times it'll move up to 999th most important.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

You're seriously trying to argue money is more important than fan safety.. Take a step back.. you don't have the moral high ground on this one.

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Not at all. I think it's ridiculous to argue that the East side concourse is unsafe.

If I actually thought there was anything unsafe about it, I would completely agree it should be the number 1 priority

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

M Club looks fine but I do find it entertaining when you want to spend $30 million of MSU's money.

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Oh, MSU is going to spend $30 mil anyway. I'm just making a case towards where it should be allocated

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Not at all. I think it's ridiculous to argue that the East side concourse is unsafe.

If I actually thought there was anything unsafe about it, I would completely agree it should be the number 1 priority

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To a person of normal health? Probably not. To someone with a disability or older? Yes, it is a safety concern. It slopes down and is an uneven slope at that.. there are structures in the way of moving freely as well such as the walkways up into the seating area.. The west side is much more safe

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

My priorities are for the greater good of university & that is to fix the M-club, something far more visual, before working underneath the stadium.

Who's to say your priorities are correct?

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Under the stands on the east side is needed much worse than something that offends you when you see on TV.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Oh, MSU is going to spend $30 mil anyway. I'm just making a case towards where it should be allocated

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Then make a case towards updating the Hump. M Club looks fine dude you're making a mountain outta nothing. I have never once in my entire life heard another fan say the M Club looks like a shit till you said it 20 times in this thread.

Yeah, Dorman across the junction. Wait, you captured both of them in one shot.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

To a person of normal health? Probably not. To someone with a disability or older? Yes, it is a safety concern. It slopes down and is an uneven slope at that.. there are structures in the way of moving freely as well such as the walkways up into the seating area.. The west side is much more safe

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Yeah the Southern Miss game a couple years ago, I slipped on the West side and knocked myself out on the pavement for a bit. Dislocated my shoulder, slight tear of my Labrum. Yeah, the west side is safer?
In all fairness, they textured and repainted the west side ramps that week between games. Still doesn't help my shoulder though.

If it were me, I would do the following.

Continue the bottom seating bowl across the endzone adding around 2000 seats. I would make a premium seating area similar to the gridiron club in that area down low.
I would add a party deck area that the M-Club opens into on the upper level on both sides including the junction side.
I would incorporate a large cowbell into the design so big pocket donors and prime recruits can ring the bell 2 hours and 1 hour before the game, letting everyone in the junction know its time to get into the game.
Upper levels to include the new M-Club banquet areas and premium seating decks and boxes.

Re-design the jumbotron into the design above the new building.
Redesign the north jumbotron to match. Big white back looks terrible.

I would take down dorman and relocate those people to a new building in front of the Landscape Architecture building.
Getting really crazy, I would put a new gameday center or something where dorman currently is. With classrooms on the upper floors.
Gameday center to include:
Catering pickup
concessions
restrooms for tailgating
rock climbing wall
large artificial turf area - agility challenge with a large door like a hangar to open up the space.
TV's everywhere for the people that do not have a tailgate
band stage
cornhole competition space

Most importantly, a building with actual appeal to it better than dorman.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

To a person of normal health? Probably not. To someone with a disability or older? Yes, it is a safety concern. It slopes down and is an uneven slope at that.. there are structures in the way of moving freely as well such as the walkways up into the seating area.. The west side is much more safe

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The truth is we need a new M-Club Building and we also need to do something about the ramps. The ramps are WAY too steep on the West side to be ADA approved- no question in my mind. The issue is that the structure was built in the 1930's I believe way before ADA.

Now that said, I agree with Shotgun that the M-Club building needs to go/be enclosed with premium seating. My parents are M-Club members and as I have shared before it is so bad that my parents will not go to games anymore. There is nowhere for them to sit unless you drag a chair in front of the window and hope you get there before some former MSU o-linemen or basketball player gets there first. And sitting up there is weird- it's like a vacuum. You can see the people cheering but there is no sound except for when the cannon is fired after a MSU score. And even that is muted quite a bit. Our former athletes deserve a better place to watch the game.

And I think that will happen in the next few years probably.