The baseball HC decision has the potential to fracture the fan base

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

You don?t have to hire an upcoming assistant this year. There are plenty of legitimate coaching options for us that are guys who are now head coaches.

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I?ve become skeptical of how true this is. I think Cohen talked a big game and put that idea into people?s heads. I could see it being hell to be a baseball coach with Cohen as your AD. He?s the IB for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Henderson had a very magical run but we already would have a new coach if McNamee doesn't hit a 3 run bomb in the b9th vs FSU.

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And if we don't sweep Florida, we don't even make the SEC tourney. That's the real reality with Hendo.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And that's another issue. At Kentucky Henderson didn't have a pitching coach. Not sure how willing he is about giving that up. And his hitting coach was Rick Eckstein- basically a pro hitting coach. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

I think in the long run the PR hit would be worse if we hired him and then fired him because now at this moment we can point to the fact that he is an interim coach.

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We need a fresh pitching coach. It?s not even remotely acceptable for Hendo to be the pitching coach if he?s the head coach. Cohen better lay down the law if he hires Hendo.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

And if we don't sweep Florida, we don't even make the SEC tourney. That's the real reality with Hendo.

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So Henderson got his team to respond?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You are exactly right. I've followed baseball for awhile and you always have to stay ahead of the curve to succeed at a championship level. That's why we fell off with Polk II. We were in a sort of similar position in 2001 when we hired Polk II. We didn't make it to Omaha but we won the SEC a Tournament and made a SR with a young team. Polk came in and we declined the next year, hosted a regional when that group was made up of juniors and then declined after that.

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Yep, and people forget that even though we malign the Polk II era, it still got us to Omaha. Just another reason to suggest that getting a team to the CWS still doesn't mean you are necessarily the right head coach for the long haul. I'm thinking though at this time that if Cohen already had his guy prior to the CWS run then that will stick, but if Cohen is still trying to get someone the candidates may very well back away because of not wanting to follow what Henderson just did and Cohen will hire Hendo pretty much by default.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

We need a fresh pitching coach. It?s not even remotely acceptable for Hendo to be the pitching coach if he?s the head coach. Cohen better lay down the law if he hires Hendo.

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Is it acceptable for Moorhead to be the OC for the football team?

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

I?ve become skeptical of how true this is. I think Cohen talked a big game and put that idea into people?s heads. I could see it being hell to be a baseball coach with Cohen as your AD. He?s the IB for a reason.

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I’m not even talking about the Schloss’, Corbin’s, McDonnell’s. I’ve mentioned it before and I’ll mention it again.

Dan Heefner at DBU, Greg Lovelady at UCF, Todd Whitting at Houston, and several others are better options than Henderson or Up-and-coming assistants.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

And if we don't sweep Florida, we don't even make the SEC tourney. That's the real reality with Hendo.

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Playing devil’s advocate, but what if Hendo coached them to that sweep? Actually, we owe Kevin O’Sullivan for not starting their ace, but, still, they capitalized on what they could. They straight up abused FL’s bullpen.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's what we have to at least all agree on. This has got to be one of the more unique situations ever in a head coaching search. HC is gone after week one of the season. That never happens. But then your pitching coach/interim head coach takes you to the Final Four in your sport.

When the hell has that ever happened? In addition to that, this interim coach has had prior HC experience in the same conference and had very mixed results at a not great program. And he's up there in age relatively speaking. Add in the fact this is a Top 10 job with the best stadium in the country almost completed.

There's no book on hiring a coach for this situation. We all need to make sure we understand that there's a case to made for virtually any type of candidate including Henderson. If you can't see why he's a possibility you don't understand the gravity of what he just did. This is not a good situation for Cohen. Important thing is that no matter who it is, we HAVE to support them going forward.

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Great Post! +1

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'd take Southern Miss' coaching staff 10/10 times ahead of Henderson

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No, Berry looks like an ex-con.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So Henderson got his team to respond?

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Hendo's decisions put us in that position, someone posted earlier his decisions cost us 8 or 9 games.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Is it acceptable for Moorhead to be the OC for the football team?

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Well it was for Mullen for 8 years.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yep, and people forget that even though we malign the Polk II era, it still got us to Omaha. Just another reason to suggest that getting a team to the CWS still doesn't mean you are necessarily the right head coach for the long haul. I'm thinking though at this time that if Cohen already had his guy prior to the CWS run then that will stick, but if Cohen is still trying to get someone the candidates may very well back away because of not wanting to follow what Henderson just did and Cohen will hire Hendo pretty much by default.

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But what could we be with an elite coaching staff? I think Cohen understands this.

Damn what a soap opera. If we keep Henderson we will be fine, If we hire a big name , we will be fine. I will support the Coach JC picks. Henderson has proved he can get His players to buy into his plan. sure, he was less than stellar at KY, but we aren't KY. Any Coach worth a shit should be able to win big at MSU. The Key is the Players, get some damn good ones, put them on the diamond and let them play. Can Henderson recruit? That is the question.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Hendo's decisions put us in that position, someone posted earlier hi decisions os us 8 or 9 games.

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I'm just at the point where I wish our fanbase had more class about this. Henderson will most likely not get the job, but our fans feel the need to run him in the ground after this great run. Pretty childish really

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm just at the point where I wish our fanbase had more class about this. Henderson will most likely not get the job, but our fans feel the need to run him in the ground after this great run. Pretty childish really

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I thinks more the fact that we have a portion of the fanbase spouting that Henderson should be the guy no questions asked (which is absurd) and the folks running him into the ground are just a reaction to it. No one would feel the need to do that if so many fans weren't caught in the moment thinking Henderson should be the guy based off of 5 weeks of a season.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm just at the point where I wish our fanbase had more class about this. Henderson will most likely not get the job, but our fans feel the need to run him in the ground after this great run. Pretty childish really

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I am sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to run Gary in the ground, I am just stating the facts. I really like Gary and hope there is some way we can keep him at MSU in some capacity. I am forever thankful for what he did this season, I just don't think he is the best choice for our program going forward.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No way we hire Henderson. We?d be doing it again in 2 years. He wasted a CWS trip.

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How did he waste a cws trip? Oregon State was just that much more talented than us. The team has 6 first rounders (talent wise) and probably another 4-5 that will be top 2-10 rounds. We had one kid selected in the 3rd round and a couple other draft guys.

They are stupid good. We just ran into a buzz saw. Nothing he could have done would have changed the outcome.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I thinks more the fact that we have a portion of the fanbase spouting that Henderson should be the guy no questions asked (which is absurd) and the folks running him into the ground are just a reaction to it. No one would feel the need to do that if so many fans weren't caught in the moment thinking Henderson should be the guy based off of 5 weeks of a season.

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I can't remember but maybe 2 or 3 posts here the last few days wanting Henderson to be hired. Those few have been countered with 54,675 saying how terrible Henderson is. I think we can do better than Henderson; but unlike the loud majority/minority (who knows?), I don't feel the need to constantly run the man in the ground.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I thinks more the fact that we have a portion of the fanbase spouting that Henderson should be the guy no questions asked (which is absurd) and the folks running him into the ground are just a reaction to it. No one would feel the need to do that if so many fans weren't caught in the moment thinking Henderson should be the guy based off of 5 weeks of a season.

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Wrong. He's been gettin run into the ground by the little league coaches all year