Lovett decommitted

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

No I get it.

Kind of in jest making a point though that it’s going to be tough to take the next step so long as our depth gets plucked out from under us.

Even if OM is willing to pay recruits, you can’t allow them to just pluck the ones they want to pay every year. They just flipped half our DL class in the past 2 weeks.

Just curious, are we helpless against this? Are we just conceding players?

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The recruitment of Williams is not the hill to die on. Who cares. I hope we do concede guys like him if the alternative is to get in a bidding war for an average player who is a grade risk.

We'll see what happens with Lovett, but who have they ever flipped that was an impact player? Maybe CJ.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

All I want is Joe to fire back and flip at least one of their recruits either this year or next. If they want to play this game, I just ask that we do too.

That is what will ultimately stop it.

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The only thing that will stop it is shutting the OM Network down.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It’s the fact that we knew this was coming and could do nothing about it that bothers me.

And for me, it’s not so much about Lovett as it is the bigger picture.

If they can this easily flip half our DL class, then what is going to prevent them from dominating the 2019 class, flipping future croots?

When will MSU stop allowing this to happen?

Perhaps I don’t get it. Maybe ifyouonlyknew was right, because it looks to me like we just sit back and watch OM do anything they want and then throw our hands up in helplessness.

Again, maybe I don’t get it. If so, can someone explain it?

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It is not like OM could flip any of our guys that wanted. If that were the case, I guarantee you Williams and Lovett would not be their choice

Define Allowing, Shotgun. You can’t control everything and everybody and we are not losing any recruits we want out of malfeasance.

The NCAA had an easy chance to make a statement and punted.

One thing to remember is that some guys just don’t want to come to MSU (or anywhere else). Look at Cam Akers. OM investigation or not, we weren’t getting him. OM just attracts a different type. The only time it sucks is when those types can actually play, like AJ Brown.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don?t think he is the flipping kind either.

Every decision he?s made thus far has been extremely conservative. He?ll need to alter that.

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LOL If you believe that then you can't be helped.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Completely agree, but they don?t matter until they do.

We wanted him. It?s too late to call him a bum

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Nobody is saying he can?t play. But I can say the DL next year are better. I think we get a commit from Pickering this spring/summer and Ellis gets in. We already have Moore. UM will pull one more DL too. Lots of DL help out there.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It’s the fact that we knew this was coming and could do nothing about it that bothers me.

And for me, it’s not so much about Lovett as it is the bigger picture.

If they can this easily flip half our DL class, then what is going to prevent them from dominating the 2019 class, flipping future croots?

When will MSU stop allowing this to happen?

Perhaps I don’t get it. Maybe ifyouonlyknew was right, because it looks to me like we just sit back and watch OM do anything they want and then throw our hands up in helplessness.

Again, maybe I don’t get it. If so, can someone explain it?

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The bigger picture is pick your battles. Like 5* DL and LL. Otherwise you end up with 15 level ones, no bowl for two years, ten transfers, half a signing class, a three year investigation that kills recruiting classes, Matt Luke, and multiple years of 6-6 as a ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Nobody is saying he can?t play. But I can say the DL next year are better. I think we get a commit from Pickering this spring/summer and Ellis gets in. We already have Moore. UM will pull one more DL too. Lots of DL help out there.

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Any chance we get Elliss in this year? That would be huge

Today's NFL has become a pariah to many patriotic Americans, what with the Colin Kaepernick kneeling bullshit. When they see so many Mississippi State players that are successful in the NFL, they're afraid that they'll develop such skills as to get into the League, and be forced to kneel before the National Anthem, or their opinions about Donald Trump, the economy, foreign policy, etc.

However, if they go to Ole Miss, they know they'll never have to worry about whether to kneel or not during the National Anthem, or have to answer hard questions. So, perhaps these children are trying to be patriotic Americans.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It?s the fact that we knew this was coming and could do nothing about it that bothers me.

And for me, it?s not so much about Lovett as it is the bigger picture.

If they can this easily flip half our DL class, then what is going to prevent them from dominating the 2019 class, flipping future croots?

When will MSU stop allowing this to happen?

Perhaps I don?t get it. Maybe ifyouonlyknew was right, because it looks to me like we just sit back and watch OM do anything they want and then throw our hands up in helplessness.

Again, maybe I don?t get it. If so, can someone explain it?

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I think we have a winner.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It is not like OM could flip any of our guys that wanted. If that were the case, I guarantee you Williams and Lovett would not be their choice

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You are correct. If OM had their choice it would have been Malik Heath.

There are Fans and then...... people in this thread.


Never understood the obsession to be wrapped up in a 17 year old's life.

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Originally Posted by Coach

There are Fans and then...... people in this thread.


Never understood the obsession to be wrapped up in a 17 year old's life.

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We had a major thread the other day about how close we were to being a real
Competitor in college football and, if we could sign 2 or so more quality players a year, that might become a reality.

That why we are obsessed. Because we are close and losing recruiting battles like this hurts.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Whatever the kid decides to do is on him. If he wants to be in Oxford so be it.
We know what goes into that more times than not when a kid flips to OM
The midnight tweet should tell you all you need to know.
And this ?early playing time? bullshit is just that . Bullshit. Unless you are a QB or RB this doesn?t fly. DL rolls out 8-10 players getting snaps every weekend
99% of high school kids that are SEC talent think they can play from day one at any college including SEC
So go ahead and spin the early PT

And this would have gone down if Mullen And crew were still coaching .. everyone remeber that also.

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Good post.

Just wish MSU would combat this.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We had a major thread the other day about how close we were to being a real
Competitor in college football and, if we could sign 2 or so more quality players a year, that might become a reality.

That why we are obsessed. Because we are close and losing recruiting battles like this hurts.

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This it it. If you do cannot see this very simple point, then you are delusionally looking away from it while it hits you in the face.

People do that, though. Most don’t want to confront the uncomfortable truth. They just want to feel good all the time so they invent safety nets like “this was expected”. Well so what, it still sucks.

That said, there is a difference between recognition of the issue and dwelling on it. At some point, you have to form your game plan to work around the issue. In this case, it seems to be to go out of state and sign a project with a chip on his shoulder.

(Or hope the NCAA busts them)

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We had a major thread the other day about how close we were to being a real
Competitor in college football and, if we could sign 2 or so more quality players a year, that might become a reality.

That why we are obsessed. Because we are close and losing recruiting battles like this hurts.

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Ok, what is your solution genius? Start a bidding war for a 3star player?? Good grief you need a xanax

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Good grief you need a xanax

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We all do from time-to-time

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We all do from time-to-time

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Yanxy prob has one to spare.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I make it a point never to get worked up either way about recruiting. They ain?t ours till they are signed and on campus. Y?all need to remember that. Also, you don?t have a real clue as to what they will do on an NCAA field till you see them a few times. Ask me in 3-4 years how we did this year.

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Agree - NFL Draft I expect an impact each year for my team. College recruiting - gotta give the kids and coaches time. Rare is the athlete that can come in as a frosh and really make an impact. Some contribute but to be fair your existing roster probably could match those results. Just can't see getting worked up about the choices of fickle 18 year-olds.