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03-11-2017, 10:00 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

DB play seemed to really drop after Melvin smith left and we've never really recovered.

Huh? Melvin was a joke the last 3-4 years he was here. Awful. Beyond awful. Sucked.
03-11-2017, 10:02 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I live in NE MS in a town that is something of a rival to Pontotoc. I had never heard of him till the Daily Journal had a blurb about his offer from Oregon a couple of days ago. It's March, y'all might need to chill out before you all jump off a cliff or something.

No offense, but Wake up, man. It's not about the time of year or even if we get the guy or not...it's about an OL coach that is constantly missing out on the top targets on our board, yet STILL gets outworked by out of state schools for a good OL in our back yard. That is a BIG problem, regardless of time of year or where this kid ends up, period.
03-11-2017, 10:04 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Look our ol recruiting has lacked no argument. But then explain why our defense sucked last year and our secondary has sucked for years. If we are soooo elite recruiting at every other position, which is bs, then why do we struggle so bad at other positions besides OL. Hell ol wasn't even close to being our worst unit lay year. Not close. Again, our ol recruiting needs to step. Anything otherwise wouldn't be a prudent statement.

Nobody said we were "elite" anywhere. And I don't know about you, but in my opinion, as soon as we have a new OL coach every year, we can compare OL to the defense. If anything, OL has less of an excuse to suck than even a poorly talented defense, due to continuity with the coach for 8 years.
03-11-2017, 10:05 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Look our ol recruiting has lacked no argument. But then explain why our defense sucked last year and our secondary has sucked for years. If we are soooo elite recruiting at every other position, which is bs, then why do we struggle so bad at other positions besides OL. Hell ol wasn't even close to being our worst unit lay year. Not close. Again, our ol recruiting needs to step. Anything otherwise wouldn't be a prudent statement.

No doubt the defense has sucked at times especially last year. But again the difference is Dan responded by making changes. He hired Todd Grantham to address that and we're all satisfied. That's the issue as much as anything- we have issues on the o-line but what has done about it? Why is it allowed to continue every year? Three years in a row- we lost Lashley from West Point to Alabama, last year Charles from MRA said he committed to LSU because "they showed me more attention", and now this. From a legacy o-lineman who has a Dad that played o-line in the NFL.

If Dan's defense sucked every year but we had Carl Torbush manning it very year for the past 8-9 years and nothing was done it would be just as much an issue and discussed every bit as much as Hevesy.
03-11-2017, 10:06 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Huh? Melvin was a joke the last 3-4 years he was here. Awful. Beyond awful. Sucked.

Don't know how you figure that. His 2010 and 2011 corners were pretty good. 2012 was ok. I thought we should have been better with slay and banks. Townsend was aweful in my opinion. Townsends first year in 2013 was ok and we got worse each year.
03-11-2017, 10:07 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No offense, but Wake up, man. It's not about the time of year or even if we get the guy or not...it's about an OL coach that is constantly missing out on the top targets on our board, yet STILL gets outworked by out of state schools for a good OL in our back yard. That is a BIG problem, regardless of time of year or where this kid ends up, period.

If we haven't offered, I don't think he was a top target.

I have no idea what the deal is with the kid, but perhaps he's a fringe prospect and we wanna be sure before offering. With his dad being an ex-player, we certainly don't wanna end up having to drop smith like gainer. Again though, I have no idea... it very well could be just a completely dumb non-offer by Hev and Mullen
03-11-2017, 10:07 PM
starkvegasdawg

He must have been a three star. We don't take OL prospects rated that highly. We like to develop our linemen thank you very much.
03-11-2017, 10:10 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

He must have been a three star. We don't take OL prospects rated that highly. We like to develop our linemen thank you very much.

Hev keeps those south al and Troy coaches up at night.
03-11-2017, 10:11 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we haven't offered, I don't think he was a top target.

I have no idea what the deal is with the kid, but perhaps he's a fringe prospect and we wanna be sure before offering. With his dad being an ex-player, we certainly don't wanna end up having to drop smith like gainer. Again though, I have no idea... it very well could be just a completely dumb non-offer by Hev and Mullen

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03-11-2017, 10:11 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

Hev keeps those south al and Troy coaches up at night.

Hahaha

Rep given
03-11-2017, 10:12 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

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Lol... if the kid was a sure fire guy, surely om would've offered after he camped there.
03-11-2017, 10:13 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we haven't offered, I don't think he was a top target.

I have no idea what the deal is with the kid, but perhaps he's a fringe prospect and we wanna be sure before offering. With his dad being an ex-player, we certainly don't wanna end up having to drop smith like gainer. Again though, I have no idea... it very well could be just a completely dumb non-offer by Hev and Mullen

He's good enough for Oregon and LSU but he's not one of our top targets? Those are two better offers than any that Gainer had. That's not any better of an argument for Dan or Hevesy. And who did we even replace Gainer with? Suggs was committed, Cooper we were just waiting on his grades, and we had Richardson committed. I'm not even really sure if we dropped him or not. And we missed on Hayes in the JUCO ranks so it wasn't to get another JUCO guy in.
03-11-2017, 10:15 PM
BayouDawg

At this point nodody can defend Hev with a straight face. Everybody knows he's dead weight. the people making excuses at this point are just carrying water and pumping sunshine.
03-11-2017, 10:16 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He's good enough for Oregon and LSU but he's not one of our top targets? Those are two better offers than any that Gainer had. That's not any better of an argument for Dan or Hevesy. And who did we even replace Gainer with? Suggs was committed, Cooper we were just waiting on his grades, and we had Richardson committed. I'm not even really sure if we dropped him or not. And we missed on Hayes in the JUCO ranks so it wasn't to get another JUCO guy in.

You're arguing gainer dropped us? Really?
03-11-2017, 10:16 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No offense, but Wake up, man. It's not about the time of year or even if we get the guy or not...it's about an OL coach that is constantly missing out on the top targets on our board, yet STILL gets outworked by out of state schools for a good OL in our back yard. That is a BIG problem, regardless of time of year or where this kid ends up, period.

That's just it, he may be a good one and he may not be. I have never heard of him. With where I live I would have thought I would have if he was such a big time national recruit. The tone of the Journal article was a bit "interesting." Y'all need to chill out.
03-11-2017, 10:18 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That's just it, he may be a good one and he may not be. I have never heard of him. With where I live I would have thought I would have if he was such a big time national recruit. The tone of the Journal article was a bit "interesting." Y'all need to chill out.

I'll take Cristobal's opinion of him over Liverpooldawg's. Thanks though
03-11-2017, 10:19 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He's good enough for Oregon and LSU but he's not one of our top targets? Those are two better offers than any that Gainer had. That's not any better of an argument for Dan or Hevesy. And who did we even replace Gainer with? Suggs was committed, Cooper we were just waiting on his grades, and we had Richardson committed. I'm not even really sure if we dropped him or not. And we missed on Hayes in the JUCO ranks so it wasn't to get another JUCO guy in.

It's just like when we lost Charles to LSU last year. The Hev apologists said we had others higher on our board. Then when that was revealed to be complete bs it switched to well he has strong Louisiana ties so we never had a chance. The people that make excuses for Hev are nothing more than enablers.
03-11-2017, 10:21 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You're arguing gainer dropped us? Really?

Again- who replaced him? His whole reason for de-committing was because he hadn't heard from Hevesy.

It's better than your argument that we shouldn't pay attention to the o-line with the same coach because our DB's sucked.

Come to think of it- I bet we dropped him trying to go after those o-linemen that ended up going to ****ing South Carolina where Hevesy got out recruited again and couldn't land one of the three guys and then we left empty handed.
03-11-2017, 10:22 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'll take Cristobal's opinion of him over Liverpooldawg's. Thanks though

Bo Bounds said on his show a couple months ago when Cristobal took the Oregon job that he thought state and OM really dropped the ball by not hiring him to be ol coach. I don't know if we could have realistically hired him away from Bama though:
03-11-2017, 10:22 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

It's just like when we lost Charles to LSU last year. The Hev apologists said we had others higher on our board. Then when that was revealed to be complete bs it switched to well he has strong Louisiana ties so we never had a chance. The people that make excuses for Hev are nothing more than enablers.

Lol... yeah, if not for a few anonymous posters on ED, Mullen would fire Hev and we'd have that certain natty

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