DD Bowie leaning away from UM

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) No. I'm saying I wasn't happy with the finish of the 2014 season. Because ultimately that's what matters. Making the BCS final four and then going to the Sugar Bowl would have been huge for our program and we blew it two years in a row. Even worse we blew 2014 doing that stupid 1A/1B bullcrap. Excuse me for not being happy about that.

2) Who cares what David Turner told me? Chris Jones is successful in the NFL so his work ethic isn't that bad.

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1) either you are happy with the season or not. Of course we all wanted to be in the playoff. I am still happy with any season that ends in a big six bowl.

2) who cares about the NFL? Your post was about college production. Jones was a good college player who should have been dominant.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact of the matter is some members on our staff are lazy when it comes to recruiting. That's all I'm saying about our coaching staff. Nowhere have I said that the coaches don't want the best players.

I am saying that sometimes when they don't get the best players that's when they start with the copouts like "we didn't want him any way because..."

I am saying that they should improve getting some of the better in state talent to MSU. You can be doing everything in your power to do anything and still have room for improvement.

You are basically saying that the services are always wrong if we don't get an in state player that they rank high essentially and our coaches are always right. That's way more illogical than what I am saying because you are essentially saying our coaches never miss on anyone that they want. It's also been proven to be wrong because we've certainly missed on Jonnas Spivey and Brandon Wells.

You are practically saying we can't do any better in recruiting than we are and that is simply incorrect.

What doesn't make any sense to me is that we are the only program in the SEC that has fans that defend their laziness. It wouldn't be put up with anywhere else in the SEC. We can talk about being number one two years ago- the fact of the matter now is we are 6-7. We can and should be better than that.

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Recruiting could def be better, no doubt. Mullen knows that as evidenced by the complete overhaul of our recruiting strategy that took place last march.

Mullen also is the best qb developer in the sec so I'll support him and hope he continues to work on his flaws.

Why would we not bring him in on the 13th when other Miss. kids are here?

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Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips

Why would we not bring him in on the 13th when other Miss. kids are here?

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That is when Scout has him listed as visiting.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The only time I see your dumbass over here is when you post something about me. When you aren't on sixpack posting something about me. Not sure what the obsession is about?

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So you only pay attention when it's about you. I'm shocked **

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Originally Posted by confucius say

1) either you are happy with the season or not. Of course we all wanted to be in the playoff. I am still happy with any season that ends in a big six bowl.

2) who cares about the NFL? Your post was about college production. Jones was a good college player who should have been dominant.

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1) As I said I am not happy with how the season ended. I am satisfied with winning.

2) We are talking about the same Chris Jones that was a beast in the Egg Bowl his freshman year, played about 50% of the time because of 1A/1B and then had a very good junior season. Jones's problem wasn't his work ethic as much as he was a DT that wanted to play DE.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Recruiting could def be better, no doubt. Mullen knows that as evidenced by the complete overhaul of our recruiting strategy that took place last march.

Mullen also is the best qb developer in the sec so I'll support him and hope he continues to work on his flaws.

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I hope he improves too. I agree he has some strengths and QB development is one of those. I want to see him put those recruiting gurus on the field so that they can go out and recruit which if the rumor is true will happen with Peterson. With Ole Miss on probation and a loaded in state class coming up in 2019 it's probably not going to ever get more favorable for him and us. Especially if 2018 is as good a season as some of us think it could be.

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

So you only pay attention when it's about you. I'm shocked **

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Or maybe I pay attention when someone says something worth paying attention to. In that you're pretty lacking.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

That is when Scout has him listed as visiting.

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The 247 article said the 20th though.

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Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips

Why would we not bring him in on the 13th when other Miss. kids are here?

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How many do we have visiting on the 13th? I think there are limits on how many you can have on OV at a time. Not sure if it's that or if there is a conflict in Bowie's schedule potentially or something else.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm not questioning whether we want DD Bowie or not. I'm talking about missing out on some of the bigger recruits in Mississippi in general as well as the o-line and special teams recruiting.

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Ok and I won't disagree but there are dimensions to recruiting that the casual fan who follows recruiting services and rankings just cannot see. A couple of which are :

What the coaching staff determines the greatest need is to fill (not necessarily the same thing fans think)

How the relationship has developed with the kid and the person recruiting him. Raw stats, great highlight films and other schools offers are surface things but that's about all most services have to go on.

As we all know, Mullen and Hevesy are not the most pleasant people to deal with. Like it or not, our current players may not always sell the program well when describing it to recruits when it comes to playing for them.

Mullen is a micromanager. Plain and simple. My thoughts are that this rubs some kids the wrong way. Inconsistency at the D.C. position hasn't helped.

I'm just not buying the whole "country club" argument. I'm saying that our players love their position coaches and many resent ******* meddling with them.

The 247 article apparently made it to the Spirit board:

Ben say Bowie is a long shot to sign with OM. He's been worried about the NCAA investigation from the beginning & the concern is real. Says he'll probably go to MSU.

Yancy say Bowie will be a Rebel because there is too much in place for him not to be.

Spirit subscribers say why ya'll contradicting yourselves?

Yancy & Ben say in response, "We have different sources"

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I'm not getting my hopes up on Bowie, but he and gay could really make this a nice class

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact of the matter is some members on our staff are lazy when it comes to recruiting. That's all I'm saying about our coaching staff. Nowhere have I said that the coaches don't want the best players.

I am saying that sometimes when they don't get the best players that's when they start with the copouts like "we didn't want him any way because..."

I am saying that they should improve getting some of the better in state talent to MSU. You can be doing everything in your power to do anything and still have room for improvement.

You are basically saying that the services are always wrong if we don't get an in state player that they rank high essentially and our coaches are always right. That's way more illogical than what I am saying because you are essentially saying our coaches never miss on anyone that they want. It's also been proven to be wrong because we've certainly missed on Jonnas Spivey and Brandon Wells.

You are practically saying we can't do any better in recruiting than we are and that is simply incorrect.

What doesn't make any sense to me is that we are the only program in the SEC that has fans that defend their laziness. It wouldn't be put up with anywhere else in the SEC. We can talk about being number one two years ago- the fact of the matter now is we are 6-7. We can and should be better than that.

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Not wanting to start an argument... As I am relatively new to being somewhat active on the board. But what was your opinion on Cohen then? He never won an NC and outside of last year (where IMO we underachieved) and a freak year where we went to UF and almost pulled off the upset he still only made it to the World Series once. And our baseball program is set up much better due to our history than football is..

I know I know two different sports but the fact remains he had several top 10 classes and couldn't pull of a championship...

I guess my question is what is your realistic expectation for our football program?
By coaching standards both Cohen and Mullen have taken us to places we have never been. Albeit, Cohen had the easiest male sports job on campus/whereas Mullen arguably has the toughest historically.

And, as for your earlier comment about Mullen saying recruiting is the most stressful part of his job, I would guess the majority of coaches would say that. As there are so many variables when it comes to recruiting and do's and dont's. If my profession relied on 18-22 year olds making a decision and sticking with it, I would find that pretty stressful too.

Could more effort be put out I am not sure I think once OM goes on probation we will get to see what Dan and Co can really do recruiting in state. And for the most part I think outside of last years class he has done as good as any other coach we have ever had recruiting wise and winning. I think he has built the program on a pretty solid foundation but things take time to change perception.

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Originally Posted by BB30

Not wanting to start an argument... As I am relatively new to being somewhat active on the board. But what was your opinion on Cohen then? He never won an NC and outside of last year (where IMO we underachieved) and a freak year where we went to UF and almost pulled off the upset he still only made it to the World Series once. And our baseball program is set up much better due to our history than football is..

I know I know two different sports but the fact remains he had several top 10 classes and couldn't pull of a championship...

I guess my question is what is your realistic expectation for our football program?
By coaching standards both Cohen and Mullen have taken us to places we have never been. Albeit, Cohen had the easiest male sports job on campus/whereas Mullen arguably has the toughest historically.

And, as for your earlier comment about Mullen saying recruiting is the most stressful part of his job, I would guess the majority of coaches would say that. As there are so many variables when it comes to recruiting and do's and dont's. If my profession relied on 18-22 year olds making a decision and sticking with it, I would find that pretty stressful too.

Could more effort be put out I am not sure I think once OM goes on probation we will get to see what Dan and Co can really do recruiting in state. And for the most part I think outside of last years class he has done as good as any other coach we have ever had recruiting wise and winning. I think he has built the program on a pretty solid foundation but things take time to change perception.

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Thank you! This is a post of sane and reasonable logic. Todd you are being drawn to the dark side. Only Sith deal in absolutes (All in OM & Auburn fans).

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The 247 article apparently made it to the Spirit board:

Ben say Bowie is a long shot to sign with OM. He's been worried about the NCAA investigation from the beginning & the concern is real. Says he'll probably go to MSU.

Yancy say Bowie will be a Rebel because there is too much in place for him not to be.

Spirit subscribers say why ya'll contradicting yourselves?

Yancy & Ben say in response, "We have different sources"

http://i.imgur.com/G0YYDXE.gif

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Boosters aren't sources..... the OM network is trying so hard to be like the Bama network. Except they are a car dealership that leases corvettes away from being successful.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Ok and I won't disagree but there are dimensions to recruiting that the casual fan who follows recruiting services and rankings just cannot see. A couple of which are :

What the coaching staff determines the greatest need is to fill (not necessarily the same thing fans think)

How the relationship has developed with the kid and the person recruiting him. Raw stats, great highlight films and other schools offers are surface things but that's about all most services have to go on.

As we all know, Mullen and Hevesy are not the most pleasant people to deal with. Like it or not, our current players may not always sell the program well when describing it to recruits when it comes to playing for them.

Mullen is a micromanager. Plain and simple. My thoughts are that this rubs some kids the wrong way. Inconsistency at the D.C. position hasn't helped.

I'm just not buying the whole "country club" argument. I'm saying that our players love their position coaches and many resent ******* meddling with them.

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Mullen is not pleasant to deal with? You are way off on that. He may be hard on coaches (much better now than we he first started) but in general he is not like you think and has a great relationship with the vast majority of the players.

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Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips

The 247 article said the 20th though.

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Yeah I know but those visits dates may change or he may have had the date wrong on when which school wanted him to visit.

I think what some need to get a grip on is the fact that Dan and his staff are not going to tell recruits what they want to hear. They aren't going to blow smoke up their rear end by telling them how great they are and how they are going to start as a true freshman like some other schools do. He gets this from Urban Meyer, who is big about not promising players anything that cannot be delivered.

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Originally Posted by KB21

I think what some need to get a grip on is the fact that Dan and his staff are not going to tell recruits what they want to hear. They aren't going to blow smoke up their rear end by telling them how great they are and how they are going to start as a true freshman like some other schools do. He gets this from Urban Meyer, who is big about not promising players anything that cannot be delivered.

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This

We dont do rock star glam. We are the Lynyrd Skynyrd of recruiting- down to earth and straight at ya. Works for some- others not so much

The lack of OL recruiting is the main concern- no reason we cant pull one 4-star kid per year. No reason Miami-Ohio's OL should look better than ours