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12-21-2016, 11:11 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I believe he'll be a better than top 10 sec receiver next year. Some of his lack of production is Fitz still growing into his passing role IMO.

Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross too much. The bottom line is we better hope that Couch and Todd take big steps next year or we could have some problems.
12-21-2016, 11:12 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center

And we're likely going to move at least one of the two most effective linemen to other positions as well because of poor recruiting.
12-21-2016, 11:15 AM
ShotgunDawg

On a scale from 1-10 I think Gray is a 6 on the scale. He's a bit of a tweener IMO
12-21-2016, 11:16 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center

Replaced 2 starters last year- including our LT. Also didn't have an established QB (or RB for that matter).
12-21-2016, 11:18 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

On a scale from 1-10 I think Gray is a 6 on the scale. He's a bit of a tweener IMO

Gray is a really good player who has had to make a lot of adjustments (going from JUCO to D1, QB controversy and losing Dak, playing second fiddle, etc.). Call me crazy, but I expect him to thrive with some stability and experience.
12-21-2016, 11:18 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross too much. The bottom line is we better hope that Couch and Todd take big steps next year or we could have some problems.

It cost him 20 catches and about 200 yards vs. 2015, though he did have more TD.
12-21-2016, 11:19 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

On a scale from 1-10 I think Gray is a 6 on the scale. He's a bit of a tweener IMO

On the college level? I think he's an 8.
12-21-2016, 11:21 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

It cost him 20 catches and about 200 yards vs. 2015, though he did have more TD.

Compare his receptions to Gray's and I think you will understand my point better.
12-21-2016, 11:21 AM
BB30

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Let's also don't forget we have to replace 3 starters on the OL- including our Center

Completely agree here, if our OL doesn't gel and play well we will have more problems than Gray getting his catches.
12-21-2016, 11:21 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And we're likely going to move at least one of the two most effective linemen to other positions as well because of poor recruiting.

You gotta be bored, it's not even spring practice yet, all the players haven't been tested but yet you are so negative when there shouldn't be any negative talk without knowing what is going on and to see who can or can't play.

Come on Todd, start thinking, you have so many opinions that just don't stick any longer, no way you or I or anyone knows what can happen for next year. Why carry on the f***ing agenda?
12-21-2016, 11:22 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by smootness

On the college level? I think he's an 8.

I agree. He has enough speed and quickness to get open. He's strong... go watch him bull himself in the endzone vs Om. His blocking got much better down the stretch
12-21-2016, 11:22 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

He was 18th in SEC in receptions- with only 3 Sr's above him. Now a couple of JR's could declare- but Gray won't be a top 10 returning WR in receptions- and there were some really talented Freshmen this past year plus more coming into the league.

Gray is in no way, shape, or form a Top 10 SEC WR

Why is # of receptions the key defining stat? If given the same number of yards, I'll actually take fewer receptions rather than more.

But he will be the go-to guy next year. If he breaks the top 15 in receptions next year, will you call him a top 15 SEC WR? Let me guess - you'll pull another stat to try to show that he wasn't.
12-21-2016, 11:22 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross too much. The bottom line is we better hope that Couch and Todd take big steps next year or we could have some problems.

I kinda lean toward Fitz looking for Ross more than Gray too. We'll see but I believe he may can stretch the field better than Ross could. He'll need other WRs though to be something of concerns for opposing Ds otherwise they'll be sure to take Gray away as an option.
12-21-2016, 11:23 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Compare his YPC to Gray's and I think you will understand my point better.

Ross had 5 fewer YPC than Gray. What are you trying to say?
12-21-2016, 11:23 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I agree. He has enough speed and quickness to get open. He's strong... go watch him bull himself in the endzone vs Om. His blocking got much better down the stretch

I agree.
12-21-2016, 11:25 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I kinda lean toward Fitz looking for Ross more than Gray too. We'll see but I believe he may can stretch the field better than Ross could. He'll need other WRs though to be something of concerns for opposing Ds otherwise they'll be sure to take Gray away as an option.

Fitz absolutely looked on to Ross too much this season. Fitz needs to really work on progressions this offseason.
12-21-2016, 11:26 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by basedog

You gotta be bored, it's not even spring practice yet, all the players haven't been tested but yet you are so negative when there shouldn't be any negative talk without knowing what is going on and to see who can or can't play.

Come on Todd, start thinking, you have so many opinions that just don't stick any longer, no way you or I or anyone knows what can happen for next year. Why carry on the f***ing agenda?

We are already talking about moving o-linemen around. That is a fact. I don't know what will happen next year but it's a concern at this point. Maybe it will turn out fine but Hevesy has put us in a less than ideal position with his laziness.

If you want sunshine football posts go post on Genespage.
12-21-2016, 11:29 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by smootness

Ross had 5 fewer YPC than Gray. What are you trying to say?

My mistake. I corrected it above. He had almost twice as many receptions as Gray. If Gray's numbers were affected that much by Fitz's development then Ross's would have been a lot closer to Gray assuming that Gray is an elite WR since we all know Ross is an elite receiver.
12-21-2016, 11:30 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We are already talking about moving o-linemen around. That is a fact. I don't know what will happen next year but it's a concern at this point. Maybe it will turn out fine but Hevesy has put us in a less than ideal position with his laziness.

If you want sunshine football posts go post on Genespage.

Hev had one of the top half olines in the sec this year. When we've been a run heavy offense, our oline has been pretty good. I see us as a run heavy offense next season
12-21-2016, 11:31 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

My mistake. I corrected it above. He had almost twice as many receptions as Gray. If Gray's numbers were affected that much by Fitz's development then Ross's would have been a lot closer to Gray assuming that Gray is an elite WR since we all know Ross is an elite receiver.

Huh? First, who said Gray was elite? You don't have to be elite to be a top 15 SEC WR.

Second, why would you compare Ross to Gray? You said Fitz's development didn't hurt Ross, but it did when you compare Ross to himself. Thus, Gray gaining experience, getting better, taking on the #1 role, and having a better Fitz should probably lead to enough receptions to get him inside the top 15 and likely even the top 10.

No?

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