Are People Afraid to Fire Dan for the Same Reasons as Stansbury?

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10-09-2016, 12:01 AM
TUSK

I keep seeing "we were #1" and then "look how far we've fallen"....

neither streams of thought are accurate...
10-09-2016, 12:01 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Yes, those two which lead us to today in year 8.

So being number one for this first time ever is a negative for you then? I know folks like that. A bunch of them for a matter of fact. Most if not all of them loved what they saw today.
10-09-2016, 12:02 AM
msstate7

I think Mullen sticking with fitz is very telling on how much job security Mullen feels he has. If Mullen's seat was really warm, I think we'd see Williams more. I really don't think there's a question that Williams is better right now, but Mullen is playing long game with fitz
10-09-2016, 12:05 AM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

So being number one for this first time ever is a negative for you then? I know folks like that. A bunch of them for a matter of fact. Most if not all of them loved what they saw today.

Did you watch the "believe" bama game after that? That number one stuff was great, but it was a fluke which was quickly proved after that. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. But if you watched today and other games this season I really don't know what else to try to explain.
10-09-2016, 12:07 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Did you watch the "believe" bama game after that? That number one stuff was great, but it was a fluke which was quickly proved after that. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. But if you watched today and other games this season I really don't know what else to try to explain.

The "believe" game was '12. In '14, we lost 25-20 to bama
10-09-2016, 12:07 AM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think Mullen sticking with fitz is very telling on how much job security Mullen feels he has. If Mullen's seat was really warm, I think we'd see Williams more. I really don't think there's a question that Williams is better right now, but Mullen is playing long game with fitz

Deflect by putting the blame on fitz, since the USA game. We have no running game because Mullen won't play Aries and even Lee. That's the problem with our passing game.
10-09-2016, 12:08 AM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The "believe" game was '12. In '14, we lost 25-20 to bama

Yeah, like I said, I've lost interest.
10-09-2016, 12:09 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Deflect by putting the blame on fitz, since the USA game. We have no running game because Mullen won't play Aries and even Lee. That's the problem with our passing game.

I'm not deflecting anything. I haven't blamed anything on fitz
10-09-2016, 12:10 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Yeah, like I said, I've lost interest.

We were undefeated and #1 headed into Tuscaloosa... yeah, hard to maintain interest
10-09-2016, 12:12 AM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We were undefeated and #1 headed into Tuscaloosa... yeah, hard to maintain interest

And what happened?
10-09-2016, 12:13 AM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not deflecting anything. I haven't blamed anything on fitz

Yeah you did, go back and read your post.
10-09-2016, 12:18 AM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Yeah, like I said, I've lost interest.

your point wasn't lost.... it was the same game, redux...
10-09-2016, 12:33 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Did you watch the "believe" bama game after that? That number one stuff was great, but it was a fluke which was quickly proved after that. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. But if you watched today and other games this season I really don't know what else to try to explain.

Fluke or not how many times has it happened to us? I enjoyed the heck out of it. My god I was leaving the stadium 30 minutes after it was over and our students, OUR STUDENTS (my son among them) were chanting we're number one, and for that day they were correct. It seems to have become a fasionable negative for "our" fans now. You people need to get a grip on reality, and an even tighter one in history.!
10-09-2016, 12:34 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Yeah, like I said, I've lost interest.

Given what you are posting......good.
10-09-2016, 02:21 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

YeP, firing the coach and starting over at the same time they are is absolutely THE way to take advantage of their troubles. Why in the heck do you think that all but ONE of the Mullen to wherever rumors started with UM owned or controlled sources last year? They freaking own us when it comes to this crap. We fall for it every freaking time. We are dumb as posts. Notice I said "we" in all of that.

Dan is doing this to himself. Not Ole Miss. Keeping a coach that does not appear to want to be here and has shown ZERO improvement in recruiting and appears to be unwilling to change and is possibly getting even lazier in recruiting is NOT coming from Ole Miss. Like I said in December- that attitude leads to decline. Look at where we are now. Keeping him around does nothing but keep things the same other than maybe lowering his buyout clause- which won't be worth it in the long run by keeping Dan around because we will lose WAY more than 10 million if we bring him back.

What we desperately need right now is someone with some fire to take charge of the football team and bust our guys in the chops and actually develop some leaders. And we need someone that is a good recruiter because based on eight years and counting of evidence no way in hell does Dan take advantage of Ole Miss's situation. We do that, we turn the program around probably pretty quickly. We give Dan another year next year will be more of the same probably followed by a year or two of rebuilding and a new coach anyway. At this point the risk of making a bad hire is starting to lessen by the week because I'm becoming more and more confident that Dan won't be able to do it anyway so making a "bad hire" is becoming negligible because the results will be the same regardless.

I think we can turn it around pretty quickly because we do have some talent. It's just that they need direction or in some cases they just need to be put on the field and given the chance to show what they can do. The biggest issue is going to be fixing the offensive line.

But you are WAY off if you think that somehow Ole Miss is orchestrating all of this.
10-09-2016, 06:41 AM
maroonwhitedawg3ddd

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

The last two years magnified the problems. The records were awesome. The rise to #1..awesome. The lack of imaginative game plan against Alabama and TSUN and then the offseason trying to find any other job just ruined it for me.
Mullen promised to elevate the program. He did. He is no longer meeting that standard and is going down in a blaze of horror.

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10-09-2016, 07:20 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I keep seeing "we were #1" and then "look how far we've fallen"....

neither streams of thought are accurate...

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Originally Posted by TUSK

your point wasn't lost.... it was the same game, redux...

Hey Tusk how about you sit these threads out if you're gonna just chime in with snarky Bama jabs. Thanks
10-09-2016, 07:43 AM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Hey Tusk how about you sit these threads out if you're gonna just chime in with snarky Bama jabs. Thanks

+1. I hate bama then I have to read his crap.
10-09-2016, 07:56 AM
ShotgunDawg

Unless Mullen leaves on his own, it makes sense to keep him one more year for a few reasons:

1. He's earned the opportunity to fix his own problems. Plus, I'm tired of the treadmill we've been on in our history. Hire a new coach, he makes the team better, try's to get another job and neglects his current one, starts losing, we fire him. We shouldn't want to fire Mullen. It's continues to make MSU look like a graveyard for coaches.

2. Keeping Mullen and getting Keytaon Thompson on campus tremendously helps the next coach should we fire Mullen after 2017. Most new coaches fail due to poor QB play. Leaving the new coach Tiano, Fitz, and Thompson on the QB depth chart would be tremendous and really set that guy up to have success quicker.

Idea:

- since we are a stepping stone program, how about hiring a new coach for 5 years and then helping him get a better job? This way we would always have young, hungry, aggressive coaches running our program without having the program tank first. Again, it's become clear that we are a stepping stone job, so let's maximize that by making sure guys don't stay at MSU long enough to get complacent.
10-09-2016, 08:29 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think Mullen sticking with fitz is very telling on how much job security Mullen feels he has. If Mullen's seat was really warm, I think we'd see Williams more. I really don't think there's a question that Williams is better right now, but Mullen is playing long game with fitz

I wanted Mullen to put in Williams at the start of the 4th quarter just to see one thing. Does Williams in the game all of a sudden makes Fred Ross look like Odell Beckham Jr. That's what I wanted to see just to test the theory.

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