Dear/Gibson/Lee/Murphy?

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Mullen and Co. haven't missed on one or two guys in consecutive classes. They've missed in four consecutive classes on at least 6 prospects. They got no everydown prospect in 2012 (signed Holloway; only other RB prospect was I guess Xavier Grindle). In 2013 they got Shumpert; no other prospect. In 2014 they got A. Williams and D. Lee. In 2015 they got N. Gibson and Alec Murhpy. If neither Gibson nor Murphy can get playing time considering the competition they are against, I don't think we should expect much out of either, even if it's only their second year on campus.

So for the second year in a row we've ended up with no legitimate SEC back when we didn't go after a JUCO back, and we didn't even use all of our 17ing scholarships. That really is worse than OLine recruiting considering how much easier it is to fill a RB position, where there are at most two positions to fill and realistically anybody good will be able to play their second year on campus compared to OL needing to fill five spots and nobody but studs being ready to play by their second year on campus.

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I just want to address this JUCO RB we should have signed the last year or two that people keep bringing up. For the most part there is not one. The top guy went to Florida, he has less yards and less yards per carry than Shump in conference games. The #2 guy signed with MO and he is not even qualified for SEC stats of the top 50. He is also there second or third straight top JUCO RB they have signed. Nothing from any of them. The #3 back went to WV and is their back up. He is around 20th in Big 12 in yards per carry. The # 4 JUCO RB didn't sign. # 5 went to UAB, # 6 went to Utah and hasn't done anything. There were 6 total JUCO RB signed to Power 5 schools. 6. By and large there are not SEC RB waiting in JUCO anymore.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

That's not knowledge. That's false supposition without all of the facts and disregarding what we saw just last weekend from one of these backs you mention. And a big no on Lee last year and this.

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Well what did we see??? What are you talking about? Lee averaged over 6 ypc in the little time he was out there in 2015. That makes him #1 in ypc average this year and last. What's wrong here? If he screwed up that bad, why would he still be on the team?

So, you don't think Gibson or Murphy could contribute now, if they had already cut their teeth in week 1? That'd be pretty hard to believe. And I don't believe it for a second.

Holloway is a playmaker just not up the middle, dear could do that, a. Williams, Ross and gray are playmakers, it's just not in sync and I think Dan was saying it early that the QB's were not separating or standing out. I realize Nick is sophomore and Damian hasn't played much. The offense has no rhythm and u can't tell which one would do better.

Leo Lewis, Jefferson, Simmons, Bryant and spencer are my people this year and next probably.

If they could and maybe they can't, establish one of the other guys dear, a Williams anyone then Holloway would get even more yards on his plays probably as well as Ross and gray I think is what we are saying.


Or it's just not football if we can't get some production up the middle and we went a full year without it last year and we don't want to see that no more.

Obviously we had beckwith and day the last time we could do anything up the middle or the oline pushing downfield. Yes, one of those is on a Super Bowl team. Great job everyone but we can't go 3 years trying to rebuild ...I mean we should have a little push at least 4 or 5 yards by now. Up the mid

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Well what did we see??? What are you talking about? Lee averaged over 6 ypc in the little time he was out there in 2015. That makes him #1 in ypc average this year and last. What's wrong here? If he screwed up that bad, why would he still be on the team?

So, you don't think Gibson or Murphy could contribute now, if they had already cut their teeth in week 1? That'd be pretty hard to believe. And I don't believe it for a second.

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You didn't see Williams, one of the backs you mentioned and who I like and hope gets it together, miss multiple assignments in his limited action Sat? And not just blocking but a run he was going to get as well.

The time may come that Lee has to leave but I believe he is better off with them trying to get him straightened out being a part of the team. Especially since we have the scholarship available. But like this quote "If a coach can’t trust your effort in the weight room, the classroom and at practice, how can you be trusted to play in a game?" He has to clean up some stuff AND get his head and heart right. And his yard per avg in SEC games last year was 1 yard per carry. He did well in OOC games in small sample he was very timid against SEC opponents. Very timid.

I like Gibson and hope to see him as the season goes.

Murphy, is definitely trailing the other backs.

Gibson is the real deal,trust me on this,if mullen will just give him a chace he will shine

Well Dak says they run an NFL offense and maybe that is hard to learn and could be why our guys play well in NFL...
But we can't bypass college fun just to make great NFL players, we need both. I know Dan is the type to make best player sit. I've never tried to learn football plays. It may be a lot to it. The new staff may get it together.

We need the bird formation the V for victory by oline to run up the mid only way football, as plays, make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You didn't see Williams, one of the backs you mentioned and who I like and hope gets it together, miss multiple assignments in his limited action Sat? And not just blocking but a run he was going to get as well.

The time may come that Lee has to leave but I believe he is better off with them trying to get him straightened out being a part of the team. Especially since we have the scholarship available. But like this quote "If a coach can’t trust your effort in the weight room, the classroom and at practice, how can you be trusted to play in a game?" He has to clean up some stuff AND get his head and heart right. And his yard per avg in SEC games last year was 1 yard per carry. He did well in OOC games in small sample he was very timid against SEC opponents. Very timid.

I like Gibson and hope to see him as the season goes.

Murphy, is definitely trailing the other backs.

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Well I'm glad to hear something positive about one of them, in Gibson. Let's get him on the field some. I remember Lee playing timid a couple of times, but I've also seen him push the pile. Hopefully, they can reach him.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Well I'm glad to hear something positive about one of them, in Gibson. Let's get him on the field some. I remember Lee playing timid a couple of times, but I've also seen him push the pile. Hopefully, they can reach him.

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Yeah. And like I said I do like Williams still. Got to execute though in SEC games. Eventhough we haven't talked about him thought Shump had a nice game. He just is what he is but ran with authority last week.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yeah. And like I said I do like Williams still. Got to execute though in SEC games. Eventhough we haven't talked about him thought Shump had a nice game. He just is what he is but ran with authority last week.

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Not just last week for shump...

Vs USA -- 3 att 14 yds 4.67 yds/att
Vs usce -- 5 att 28 yds 5.60 yds/att
Vs lsu -- 6 att 34 yds 5.67 yds/att

He's earned the right to be the starter this week imo. He needs 10-15 carries Saturday

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not just last week for shump...

Vs USA -- 3 att 14 yds 4.67 yds/att
Vs usce -- 5 att 28 yds 5.60 yds/att
Vs lsu -- 6 att 34 yds 5.67 yds/att

He's earned the right to be the starter this week imo. He needs 10-15 carries Saturday

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True. Just still wasn't as sold that he was really able to sustain that until last week against a much tougher defense. He wasn't bad in the Bowl game last year either. Just Williams had that long run that kind of over shadowed it.

Williams has a little quick to him. I'd like to see him catching a pass out of the backfield.