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09-07-2016, 02:35 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

You are going to see a change in some staff positions this year. Sallach is coming off and Peterson is going to coach te's. This will allow us to have a 4th offensive recruiter and we won't have to count John as one of them.

Why is Peterson not coaching tight ends now? That makes no sense on Dan's part of true. And I understand he does a lot of things that don't make sense.
09-07-2016, 02:37 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.

No one understands what 4.2 million times 3 years is? It aint December. My post said if we fired him TODAY we'd owe him roughly 12 million.

And 4.2 million x's 2 years is not between 6-7 million. I don't know if the buyout pays 1:1. Im going off simple logic. Point remains.

I don't think anyone realistically wants Dan fired after 1 game. I doubt anyone would want him fired after a loss to USCe unless it was a 48-0 domination and it would hurt the program to have a dead man walking. I highly doubt we fire Dan unless we miss a bowl game combined with getting our asses kicked by anyone with a pulse. Croom was possibly coming back until we got embarrassed in the Egg Bowl but that was the straw that broke the camel's back. He had already talked about dropping his boy McCorvey for Al Borges but after the Egg Bowl he was done.
09-07-2016, 02:50 PM
Coldsleeve Jr.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I don't think anyone realistically wants Dan fired after 1 game. I doubt anyone would want him fired after a loss to USCe unless it was a 48-0 domination and it would hurt the program to have a dead man walking. I highly doubt we fire Dan unless we miss a bowl game combined with getting our asses kicked by anyone with a pulse. Croom was possibly coming back until we got embarrassed in the Egg Bowl but that was the straw that broke the camel's back. He had already talked about dropping his boy McCorvey for Al Borges but after the Egg Bowl he was done.

Maybe they do maybe they don't. That wasnt my point. My point was it doesnt make financial sense to fire him mid season. And I highly doubt we'll fire him after this season unless we only win 2 games.
09-07-2016, 03:46 PM
Cowboydawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ole Miss also thought that they would replace Cutcliffe with Dennis Erickson and they are racist. We need to stop looking at other schools screw ups and assuming that the same thing will play out here when we do make a coaching change.

I'm not sure what type of profession you are in but you absolutely look at your market/your competitive landscape and learn from other people's mistakes. Nobody is assuming the same thing will happen. Are you assuming the same thing won't happen? To say we need to stop looking at other schools screw ups is a seriously misguided statement.

Outside of our own fanbase, the perception is that Mullen has overachieved here. Outside of the OM fanbase, the perception was that Cutcliffe was a very good coach that had a down year after losing Eli Manning. If we are willing to fire Mullen after 1 losing season we better be prepared for the backlash. To ignore what happened to a competitor in our market with a nearly identical budget and overall landscape, would just be foolish.

You don't assume the same thing will happen. You make sure the same thing doesn't happen. In this case, you have the next guy ready to step in much like Howland. If you don't have the next guy lined up...you get as much as you can out of Mullen another year.
09-07-2016, 03:59 PM
Cowboydawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ole Miss also thought that they would replace Cutcliffe with Dennis Erickson and they are racist. We need to stop looking at other schools screw ups and assuming that the same thing will play out here when we do make a coaching change.

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09-07-2016, 04:19 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.

This. If we fired him today we'd owe him roughly $12 million. Doesn't make sense to pay a guy $12 million to go away after 7 straight winning seasons. Next year is a different story.

Are you just looking at how many years are left on his deal and how much he makes per year? His buyout is not that high. Miami interviewed him last offseason and Maryland either interviewed him or was in some form of serious talks with him or his agent (depending on who you ask). If he had a $12 million buyout there wouldn't have been a single school in the country that would have even considered interviewing him at the end of last year.
09-07-2016, 04:24 PM
WinningIsRelentless

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Yes. I do. But that doesn't discount his own actions that are hurting recruiting as well. You can add John Hevesy to the list of poor recruiting decisions too.

I don't really think we should compare our recruiting to OM's, but we battle them for the cream of the crop in state every year. We're not beating LSU or Bama or Auburn or A&M for a recruit either.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why is Peterson not coaching tight ends now? That makes no sense on Dan's part of true. And I understand he does a lot of things that don't make sense.

He wanted time to learn the offense and get up to date on recruiting before stepping in.
09-07-2016, 04:25 PM
Coldsleeve Jr.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

Are you just looking at how many years are left on his deal and how much he makes per year? His buyout is not that high. Miami interviewed him last offseason and Maryland either interviewed him or was in some form of serious talks with him or his agent (depending on who you ask). If he had a $12 million buyout there wouldn't have been a single school in the country that would have even considered interviewing him at the end of last year.

Im going off his actual contract. So yes, Im calculating his buyout by how many years left and his annual salary. Here's a link https://hkm.com/football/contracts/dan-mullen/

ETA: I don't know exactly what constitutes his "annual salary". I know the total sum comes from a few different sources.
09-07-2016, 04:28 PM
Gatordog

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Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg

A lot of you are missing the point. It's not the fact that he lost to USA or that he will have a losing record this year. It's the direction the program is now headed. If you to be either blind or stupid to not see that we are at a crossroads. Mullen has been looking for a better opportunity for atleast 2 years now and he doesn't want to be here. He's going through the motions. I would 100% agree that he deserves a chance to turn it around if his heart was in Starkville. But it's not, he genuinely does not want to be here. It's written all over his face

No Mullen fan but it appears after he has always been the bridesmaid instead of the bride he finally realized being a whore doesn't land the groom. He hired some high school coaches last year to start helping him recruit better for the future. Problem is like everyone knows is the two to three years he was soiling his oats.
09-07-2016, 04:34 PM
Indndawg

This.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I remember these posts in 2008 when everyone was saying that you can't fire the reigning SEC coach of the year. Get back to me if we go 4-8 and the bears beat us by 30.

Back on SPC during those great days about half the philosphers were saying we can't fire Croom, it'd look bad, year removed from a mighty Liberty victory. We don't have t he $, same crap.
09-07-2016, 04:37 PM
RocketDawg

I haven't read the 4 pages of posts, so I don't know what the consensus is ... but yes, Mullen deserves, or should be given, a bye on a down year. I still have some confidence that this year will end better than most seem to think.

And fire him and a buyout of 3 or 4 years salary? Why just throw the money away? Let him coach and be happy that he doesn't buy players.
09-07-2016, 05:13 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by thf24

I find it hard to believe that we'd instantly pony up to fire a coach with his first potential losing season in seven years but haven't gotten the baseball stadium paid for going on year three.

Apples and oranges. Not only are there a lot more boosters willing to pony up for football, but the athletic department is willing to dump money into football because football is actually profitable. There is a reason that successful football coaches are paid 10+ times more money than successful baseball coaches.
09-07-2016, 05:45 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

I'm not sure what type of profession you are in but you absolutely look at your market/your competitive landscape and learn from other people's mistakes. Nobody is assuming the same thing will happen. Are you assuming the same thing won't happen? To say we need to stop looking at other schools screw ups is a seriously misguided statement.

Outside of our own fanbase, the perception is that Mullen has overachieved here. Outside of the OM fanbase, the perception was that Cutcliffe was a very good coach that had a down year after losing Eli Manning. If we are willing to fire Mullen after 1 losing season we better be prepared for the backlash. To ignore what happened to a competitor in our market with a nearly identical budget and overall landscape, would just be foolish.

You don't assume the same thing will happen. You make sure the same thing doesn't happen. In this case, you have the next guy ready to step in much like Howland. If you don't have the next guy lined up...you get as much as you can out of Mullen another year.

Yes you learn from others mistakes- which is why it's less likely that we would pull a Cutcliffe debacle. But we have a lot of fans that assume they because Ole Miss botched that hire that we will too and there is no merit for that.

Speaking of learning from our mistakes- we historically hold on to coaches at least one year too long. That is what kills us and causes us to be set back for five years. We give way too much leeway and it's because we don't recognize the signs that a coach is done. And Dan has displayed a LOT of those so far. Lack of intensity, appearing not to care about losing, not making adjustments and appearing unwilling to do so, openly looking for jobs and etc.
09-07-2016, 06:47 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.

No one understands what 4.275 million times 2.5 years is? It aint March. My post said if we fired him TODAY we'd owe him roughly 12 million.

And 4.275 million x's 2.5 years is not between 6-7 million. It's not even close. The buyout pays 1:1 according to the terms. Point remains.

Edited: His contract doesnt end until March 1, 2019. Built-in raises are automatic each year since March 2015. We will pay him more money in 2017 and 2018 than we paid him in 2015 and 2016. He makes $4.275 million average per year for the 4 year duration of the contract. So by my calculation, if we fired him TODAY, we'd owe him $10.6875 million to go away.

What am I missing with my math?

We don't have to pay the entire 4.2 if he is fired. Some of that won't be fulfilled so it comes off. We will pay about 3.2-3.5 of it. We aren't going to fire Mullen Sunday if we lose. Any firing would take place in December. I'm not in any way saying we are going to fire him- but if we did- it would be between 6-7 mill come December.
09-07-2016, 06:51 PM
GTHOM

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

He only has 2 years remaining after this season. We didn't extend for this very reason. And because we didn't extend and meet his demand of $5mil a year he pouted all off season and showed up to the opening game in f*cking shorts. If you had heard what happened in off season it's pretty apparent he's sticking this season to Strick and Keenum for not caving to his demands.

If this kind of high school drama BS is going on then Dan should have been gone already. Grown men should be professional not whiny and selfish after losing to your biggest rival 2 years in a row
09-07-2016, 06:55 PM
mic

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

We don't have to pay the entire 4.2 if he is fired. Some of that won't be fulfilled so it comes off. We will pay about 3.2-3.5 of it. We aren't going to fire Mullen Sunday if we lose. Any firing would take place in December. I'm not in any way saying we are going to fire him- but if we did- it would be between 6-7 mill come December.

Exactly.. Shit I think ND just got finished paying off fat ass Charlie Weiss recently ..
09-07-2016, 06:56 PM
lamont

We fire him it will cost 6-7

If he leaves on his own- it's a million or less owed to us I believe
09-07-2016, 07:35 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

We fire him it will cost 6-7

If he leaves on his own- it's a million or less owed to us I believe

I don't think he can get hired at a Power 5 school at this point, unless he gets a new agent.
09-07-2016, 08:03 PM
Bass Chaser

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

He wanted time to learn the offense and get up to date on recruiting before stepping in.

Excellent! Rep given!
09-07-2016, 08:09 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

We fire him it will cost 6-7

If he leaves on his own- it's a million or less owed to us I believe

If it comes down to it we might negotiate some kind of a severance package although coaching may be totally different because I would assume it's a lot more common to be fired in coaching than it is in a lot of other professions.

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