Malik

First off, there is Zero comparison to Stands and Howland.. None.. Coaching, recruiting , player development , having control over the program, respect from his peers ect..
And I would bet anything Stands threw our university , CBH and his staff, and everyone associated with our basketball program under the bus the last few months when he got in Team Newmans ear..
And it would shock me if MN didn't end up WKy

Good luck to Team Newman. Hope you all don't ruin Malik's career before it gets started...

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Dee was a good player for us.

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Not knocking Dee's play. Bury handed him the PG position from the start. Bost was a good QB in high school and most schools wouldn't offer him as a PG. Bury said it was all his so he signed with us. He's obviously doing the same thing with Newman. Therefore you have "Bury found his next Bost".

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.

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tc you went off the reservation with this stupid shit. In less than a month Howland signed a player rated higher than any player Bury signed in 14 seasons. In less than a year Howland signed a higher rated recruiting class than Stansbury did in 14 seasons. Was Howland supposed to miss the Sweet 16 fourteen times in his first season too to be considered equal for you?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

tc you went off the reservation with this stupid shit. In less than a month Howland signed a player rated higher than any player Bury signed in 14 seasons. In less than a year Howland signed a higher rated recruiting class than Stansbury did in 14 seasons. Was Howland supposed to miss the Sweet 16 fourteen times in his first season too to be considered equal for you?

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Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

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Stans won games because he could recruit. Howland will do the same. Basketball success is more correlated to recruiting success than any other college sport.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

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Has the board gone full retard? Remember, you don't go full retard.

Recruiting is dirty business, but Stansbury probably didn't have to throw anybody under the bus, don't forget he has had probably 8 years of contact with Malik and more than that with Horatio and besides that no one knows for sure he is signing up there. Probably is but not for certain.

When Stansbury left the state of Ms for College Park, the last stop he made was at Horatio's house.

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Originally Posted by mic

First off, there is Zero comparison to Stands and Howland.. None.. Coaching, recruiting , player development , having control over the program, respect from his peers ect..
And I would bet anything Stands threw our university , CBH and his staff, and everyone associated with our basketball program under the bus the last few months when he got in Team Newmans ear..
And it would shock me if MN didn't end up WKy

Good luck to Team Newman. Hope you all don't ruin Malik's career before it gets started...

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

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wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

The game was at the Honda Center in Anaheim, not Pauley Pavillion. Not that big a difference but technically a neutral site.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

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thank you-that is what I'm saying. Howland signed a 1 and done and he is done. I really think Howland will be better than Stans but he hasn't yet. Right now everyone will be shits and giggles when Ben makes the NIT. But all Stans got for a NIT is a cussin. Maybe Stans would have won big time at UCLA, I'll bet he would have recruited well. Winning at UCLA and winning at MSU ain't same.

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Originally Posted by 32 Dive

Those three Final Fours he took us to, were awesome, too!
Wait, those were Elite Eights?
No? Sweet Sixteens, right?
Awe, those trips only made it to the 2nd round...

When Rick had our boys in New York, in the NIT Final Four (06-07), Howland had his in Atlanta, for the REAL Final Four for the 2nd of 3 straight.

I like Stans. But there is absolutely no comparison.

#JustSayin

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Sums it up

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

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61-don't go to calling people shitty little names. I don't like it when they blast you, so don't be a jerk. It is just someone's opinion, we all want Ben to take us to Glory.The only true way to compare the 2 coaches is by what they do at MSU. Let's see what Ben can do. All RS did is win more games than anyone in our History. Saban has been Hell on wheels at LSU and Bama but he suxed at Miami. Compare apples to apples.

The stains love is very strong in this one. Anybody thinks Howland isn't light years better than stains in every aspect of college basketball, including clapping, is ****ing stupid.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Sums it up

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just a question? not trying to start a fight. If you were to take any Coach and set Him down as the HC of UCLA or the HC of MSU--which place would he win more games?

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

The stains love is very strong in this one. Anybody thinks Howland isn't light years better than stains in every aspect of college basketball, including clapping, is ****ing stupid.

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you can't help but be an asshole--should have known better.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

just a question? not trying to start a fight. If you were to take any Coach and set Him down as the HC of UCLA or the HC of MSU--which place would he win more games?

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Irrelevant nowadays. You can win in a ton of places with the right coach and backing

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

you can't help but be an asshole--should have known better.

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Better than being a blind moron when it comes to stains.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Irrelevant nowadays. You can win in a ton of places with the right coach and backing

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irrelevant why is that-because you say so? There is no where better to win at basketball than UCLA. It is a top 5 job in college basketball. I guess you think Dan Mullen couldn't win more games at Ohio State than he does at MSU. Only a moron couldn't see it is very relevant.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

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Stans first year--20-13 8-8 in the SEC went to the NIT

Howland-14-17 and 7-11

Just because you asked.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

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He went 20-13 his first season with all players he recruited and had already coached. The next year Stans went 14-16 when a senior lead team from the year before had all graduated. There really isn't any comparison in Stan's first couple of years here vs Howland's. I think Howland will have a similar season this year to Stans' first year where he wins 20+ games and has a borderline NIT/NCAA team. I think we definitely have the better coach in Howland and in the long run he will have more success then both Stansbury and Williams. I think these Stans peeps are really barking up the wrong tree. I got it with Rick "Welcome to the Shit Show" Ray but to continue spewing bullshit now that Howland is here is just stupid as shit.