Think he meant in the eggQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
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Think he meant in the eggQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Is this a good thing? Why are we trying to prove that we got throttled by guys that will most likely be on their team next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
JIN THE EGG BOWLQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
i think Jordan Duncan(his good friend) is committed to Cal is he not? I guess that's the interest in Cal
He is. Pretty embarrassing that USM isn't getting him to be honest with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Cal has a ton of coaches that have ties to the South- Louisiana and Mississippi in particular. And their DL coach is from Hattiesburg and has coached at USM and EMCC. Their DC and CB coach both were on Tuberville's staff at Ole Miss and Auburn as well.
If he had signed with us we still wouldn't know how good he was because he would've redshirted and then been brought up to speed slowly over his first two seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I learned a hard lesson about MSU recruiting a very long time ago........
We CAN most certainly lose recruits in our own backyard. It isn't ideal for a school to have that happen. Yes, you want to sign those guys but.......little Ol, poor, pitiful MSU.
The first recruiting heart break I recall was mid 80s. Of course I was just a kid then and didn't know anything other what I heard at the barber shop. But all I heard was how West Point had these two stud players.....Sykes...I think. Anyway...State was getting thier signature. They were going to be awesome Bulldogs. Then Ole Brewer sweeps in with who knows what. Moma changed her mind and they ended up being good players at OM. ...from West Point! One brother was better than the other but yall get the point.
THen a decade later....Friend and Milons from Starkville. Now, losing a kid from the GTR to ALabama is one thing. Losing a kid to OM is another. The GTR is very much a Alabama/MSU area and OM in the rear. But it is probably more Alabama today (because of their success lately) then State. So, if Alabama comes calling on any of those guys....I would be shocked if we acquired their signature. So as long as Bama has targets elsewhere, I like our chances at 50/50 on the kids outside Starkville. THe kids in Starkville.....75%. Maybe someone else can speak on what is going on in Macon. But the LAST big time player they had that both OM/State wanted really bad........well, I hear we never had a chance. Just what I heard though.......but I am not optimistic on signing that guy. I hope we do! He is very good. But......the Bears just have their $#%^ together much better in recruiting. NOt to mention, fans that are heavily involved. ....making up fake twitter accounts and tweeting ad nause at the recruits from the covert and their overt accounts. Hell, I know a middle aged, good looking blonde Ole Miss woman. I saw her freakout, at the sight of a current OM player, like a 1950s teenage girl running into Elvis. I thought she was going to take her panties off and put them around the guys neck. Seriously. We may have fans like that......but I have never seen one. Anyway......if we CAN NOT lose guys in the GTR, our big boy money guys that are going to Keenum and bitching about Dan better refocus their efforts and get their women to throw some panties (jk on the panties part).
Anyway, I could on and on...my rant for the week. On a positive, we are recruiting at a higher level that in the past. The problem is our fans are comparing our recruiting to a annual national championship program and a rogue, dirty program.
Our recruiting problems stem from our recruiting footprint. We are always going to split prospects within the state of MS. We have 2 SEC schools in this state. Neither team is going to get them all. Mullen coming in here preaching "getting all of the top players in this state" was just unrealistic. We have to branch out from the 3 or 4 state area that we recruit in. We have a 100 million dollar budget. We have the SEC network and every single game we play is on TV. We play in the best conference in the country. We have upgraded our facilities with $50 million dollars. It's time to start seeing the recruiting benefits from all of this. We shouldn't have to lean on the state of MS having a good year for prospects to determine whether or not we have a good recruiting class any more. This isn't 1995.
Some of you are only looking small picture when it comes to recruiting.when you look at the larger picture and tie everything together you will see why we are getting the results on field and in recruiting that we are. It's a cycle that has to be changed in order to reach the next level, but is has to be changed from Sept-December.
The biggest glaring issue, our current PT record and Developmental philosophy, is not only hurting our on field performance, it is also hurting on the recruiting trail. Dan's inability to identify and play the most talented players on our team, for whatever reason, right away as true freshman is detrimental. We brought along Chris Jones and left the training wheels on for 1.5 seasons. We redshirt other potential 3 and done guys. We don't play our best RB because of age. All of these things not only hurt W's and L's immediately, they also impact recruiting. Another school selling and showing immediate PT is much more appealing than possible PT, a possible RS, and training wheels for at least your first season playing. What top guy wants to come play for that, honestly?
Chris Jones should have been thrown in the mix from snap one (he didn't get significant snaps until around weeks 6-7). Along with Dear, Lewis, Green, Peters, Bryant, and so on and so forth. Only injuries forced our coaching staff to put most of these guys on the field. Until we change our coaching/playing time philosophy on the GD field, we will not be able to make many changes on the recruiting path with these upper recruits. Shit even Bama gets their impact true freshman more PT than we seem to be able to and they have a ton more talent than we do.
Well, yeah, then there is this too. Why Dear didn't play a lot more....A LOT.....is frustrating as hell for the fans. I can't imagine the player's feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Biggest issue we have had recruiting wise was one cycle that didn't pan out on the OL. Yeah we can change some things in recruiting to help nationally. But it has to begin with how us as fun approach the team and recruiting
Is this a legitimate Elitedawgs account or is this just a random poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting
This is a great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
If y'all think the bear propaganda is bad now, wait until the first round of the draft. It will be non stop about how the bears have put these guys in the pros, but not just drafted, but early first round.
Peters got to play as a true freshman. Bryant started most of the games. Lewis wanted to redshirt. We worked Dear in and let him play slot b/c that's where he wanted to play. Green is out of position, but he got plenty of playing time. Most of the guys we sign do need to redshirt b/c we aren't signing upper-tier talent. If we signed Derrick Brown for example, he would start from Day 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
This is legit- new addition to the BoardQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
did I seen it get another username.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How different would we look at next season if we sign brown and Simmons? Move green to de and we have a very solid dline... Really front 7Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Excellent, excellent point. Say what you will about "Tom" during baseball season, but he's spot on with this post. Elite players want to play and play without training wheels. And our PT philosophy traces back to what I've been saying all season - Dan is too risk averse. He just doesn't trust young players to not constantly screw up. He'd rather watch a less talented, older player screw up repeatedly than risk putting a more talented younger player on the field. It's just who he is and I don't see him changing this tendency. Don't know where he got it, outside of just being a natural personality trait, because he sure didn't get it from Urban. Urban throws his talented freshmen to the wolves and lets them play.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Well teams with big leads and kicking our asses all over the field tend to go with a conservative offense to ensure we don't get back in the game with a pick 6. And they try to shorten the game running the ball more to eat up clock instead of stopping the clock with each incompletion.
Awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Curious how this account will be used?
Is this separate from Ifyouonlyknew &, if so, are different sources used?