I'm not one to cite "sources", but here's why y'all need to chill in my opinion....

Maybe I haven't paid as much attention until this year but that was the most emotional Senior Day Ceremony that I can ever remember. I think everyone noticed and it has been pointed out elsewhere but while the OM players were hyped jumping up and down at midfield taunting our players, our guys were crying and hugging each other. Not saying that necessarily had anything to do with the outcome but it was interesting to see the two dynamics.

With that being said, Dak came out looking for blood. He ran over #31 and pinned his helmet with his own into the turf. He then tried to run over him again instead of sidestepping him in open field and he fumbled. I think he let his emotions get the best of him which is something he struggled with early in his career, even some last year. That is one of the biggest areas he improved upon this year.

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

Maybe I haven't paid as much attention until this year but that was the most emotional Senior Day Ceremony that I can ever remember. I think everyone noticed and it has been pointed out elsewhere but while the OM players were hyped jumping up and down at midfield taunting our players, our guys were crying and hugging each other. Not saying that necessarily had anything to do with the outcome but it was interesting to see the two dynamics.

With that being said, Dak came out looking for blood. He ran over #31 and pinned his helmet with his own into the turf. He then tried to run over him again instead of sidestepping him in open field and he fumbled. I think he let his emotions get the best of him which is something he struggled with early in his career, even some last year. That is one of the biggest areas he improved upon this year.

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that fumble changed the complexion of the entire game. we're driving and instead of 3-0 or 7-0 they score in a couple plays and we panic a bit.

just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

We should be winning about 1 out of 4 vs. LSU and Bama, that would be reasonable and respectable (winning your home game every other year), even if they're great. These 0-fer streaks have to concern even you.

The Freeze thing is overblown, it's one game off of .500. Dan does need to take it to his ass next year up in Oxford though, will be disappointed if he doesn't. They should be down next year...

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No, the Freeze thing is not really overblown at this point. Its 3 blowout wins for Freeze and 1 overtime win for Mullen. If Dan's 3 losses to Freeze had been competitive I might look at it differently but right now Freeze looks like a MUCH better coach based on the head to head meetings.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid

that fumble changed the completion of the entire game. we're driving and instead of 3-0 or 7-0 they score in a couple plays and we panic a bit.

just my opinion.

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True, but this MSU team had 2 major flaws for most of the year, a bad OL and a defense that was clueless in the first quarter, and both were vividly evident this past Saturday. A bad OL was made even worse by Warren not being able to play and apparently Senior being marginal as well. Yes, Dak's fumble was big BUT it was on the OM side of the field. Our defense gave up a 60 yard drive for a TD which is just not getting it done when could have just made a stop or forced a turnover themselves (boy, isn't that a novel idea). Its not like we fumbled on our own 20. Our D had no clue how to stop OM in the first quarter and this has seemingly been our situation for most games. So after our D gave up our customary 14 first quarter points it WAS a nail in the coffin that Dak threw the pick 6 because it was all over at that point.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

No, the Freeze thing is not really overblown at this point. Its 3 blowout wins for Freeze and 1 overtime win for Mullen. If Dan's 3 losses to Freeze had been competitive I might look at it differently but right now Freeze looks like a MUCH better coach based on the head to head meetings.

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And our win was with the 3rd string QB playing most of the game. Lots of ways to slice this one. I hate losing to OM worse than you do (ask my wife!!!), but let's not get stupid when it comes to math. 1 - 3 is one game off of .500, that's just what it is. Don't go full retard and say it isn't.

The game I'm not over is the Texas A&M game. That's the game that hurt us.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

True, but this MSU team had 2 major flaws for most of the year, a bad OL and a defense that was clueless in the first quarter, and both were vividly evident this past Saturday. A bad OL was made even worse by Warren not being able to play and apparently Senior being marginal as well. Yes, Dak's fumble was big BUT it was on the OM side of the field. Our defense gave up a 60 yard drive for a TD which is just not getting it done when could have just made a stop or forced a turnover themselves (boy, isn't that a novel idea). Its not like we fumbled on our own 20. Our D had no clue how to stop OM in the first quarter and this has seemingly been our situation for most games. So after our D gave up our customary 14 first quarter points it WAS a nail in the coffin that Dak threw the pick 6 because it was all over at that point.

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you're right but thats just who we were all year. I felt this game was a MUST to get on top and after the dak fumbled it snowballed into a horrible half .

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

And our win was with the 3rd string QB playing most of the game. Lots of ways to slice this one. I hate losing to OM worse than you do (ask my wife!!!), but let's not get stupid when it comes to math. 1 - 3 is one game off of .500, that's just what it is. Don't go full retard and say it isn't.

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What isn't getting talked about though is that when freezus took over the bears in 2011 that team didn't have a single senior drafted until Golson. We were light years ahead of the bears at the end of the 2011 season. The fact that he has not only caught up, but now passed us, is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by YazooDawg23

Coach your sources have had a tough year.

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How so? Finebaum, 247, Foxsports, and others started saying the same thing I did after the fact
Sources said he was talking to Georgia 4 weeks ago- we see why now.

They have been pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Original48

The game I'm not over is the Texas A&M game. That's the game that hurt us.

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if we get a&m 2 weeks later they're in chaos. still the game was about an aeries fumble inside the 10 and maybe another turnover?idk. never felt like we were in that game despite score being somewhat close

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

He could come out and say all of this himself and reaffirm his commitment, and let us know how unacceptable Saturday's effort was to him. That would help. Until then, I don't trust anyone's "sources." I only trust what I see with my own eyes - and that wasn't good last weekend.

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I agree. He didn't seem overly bent out of shape about losing the game. He also laughed about our losing the onsides kick. I like the Emory Bellard type that got mad as hell after we lost. Too bad Bellard didn't recruit or he could have stayed a lot longer.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

How so? Finebaum, 247, Foxsports, and others started saying the same thing I did after the fact
Sources said he was talking to Georgia 4 weeks ago- we see why now.

They have been pretty good.

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I don't think they know much more than the average joe. throw shit hope it sticks kinda thing. viewers calls etc. they haven't been very good this year yet

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Originally Posted by Original48

The game I'm not over is the Texas A&M game. That's the game that hurt us.

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By far our worst game of the year. We were pretty healthy overall and never found any kind of rhythm offensively. No excuse for losing that one.

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Originally Posted by thf24

I suspected as much. I feel like that should have been the first thought of any rational person. Unfortunate because it's perfect bait for the blowhards with an agenda that latch onto the out of context rumors and push it like it's fact. And if that hasn't made the boards unreadable enough over the past few days, you've also got the wannabe "insiders" claiming bullshit "sources" that are either just the same rumors already public or simply don't exist at all, making up shit in an attempt to cash in on that sweet, sweet internet cred if they happen to seem right in the end. Such is the nature of message boards and the internet though, I suppose.

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Bingo. That...and some can't admit that OM was just better than us this year and want to excuse the loss like a 10 year old.... "I lost? Oh yeah, I wasn't even trying."

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Brahma bull hit it squarely in the nose. Cadaver's post is spin after the fact. Nobody has to "tell" their agent they are willing to listen to a top job. Mullen's name has been out there every year for a job. This year was much different. Stop being morons.

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"Dansbury".

But WE'RE being morons. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Brahma bull hit it squarely in the nose. Cadaver's post is spin after the fact. Nobody has to "tell" their agent they are willing to listen to a top job. Mullen's name has been out there every year for a job. This year was much different. Stop being morons.

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I have a real ?. how is a post spin when it's simply advising to think for yourself? that escapes me

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

I'm fine with all of this and I'm willing to accept it at face value, but he's on video on Saturday night and we all saw it (sideline antics and post-game presser). Maybe he was just out of sorts, but he did not look like a guy that loves Starkville, was excited to close recruiting and to go win the bowl game. I hope this is all correct, it's better for everyone, but I'm a skeptic until he shows us these things.

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Exactly, and the way his team played is an even bigger concern. If he can't get the players motivated for big games like Bama and UMiss, then some changes need to be made somewhere.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

I'm fine with all of this and I'm willing to accept it at face value, but he's on video on Saturday night and we all saw it (sideline antics and post-game presser). Maybe he was just out of sorts, but he did not look like a guy that loves Starkville, was excited to close recruiting and to go win the bowl game. I hope this is all correct, it's better for everyone, but I'm a skeptic until he shows us these things.

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didn't see this before but if we play/coached uninspired in the bowl game I'll begin to worry a hair. that being said I think we got kick someone's ass. :cool:

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

True, but this MSU team had 2 major flaws for most of the year, a bad OL and a defense that was clueless in the first quarter, and both were vividly evident this past Saturday. A bad OL was made even worse by Warren not being able to play and apparently Senior being marginal as well. Yes, Dak's fumble was big BUT it was on the OM side of the field. Our defense gave up a 60 yard drive for a TD which is just not getting it done when could have just made a stop or forced a turnover themselves (boy, isn't that a novel idea). Its not like we fumbled on our own 20. Our D had no clue how to stop OM in the first quarter and this has seemingly been our situation for most games. So after our D gave up our customary 14 first quarter points it WAS a nail in the coffin that Dak threw the pick 6 because it was all over at that point.

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WORD... Imagine a 1983 Monte Carlo with pretty mags, chrome headers, etc. with Dale Earnhardt driving it... it's still a 1983 Monte Carlo... I think Dan knew what he had this year and just said **** it, if we win we win, if not, WTH... 8-4 and a decent bowl game is still better than the past. Now how do you fix it with what we have to choose from, without buying players like UNM does.. That is the crux of the biscuit...(zappa)

What you guys seem to forget, is that even though we aren't "poorol'missippistate", we are still Mississippi State. And that's still a big ass hole to climb out of, given our circumstances...

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

And our win was with the 3rd string QB playing most of the game. Lots of ways to slice this one. I hate losing to OM worse than you do (ask my wife!!!), but let's not get stupid when it comes to math. 1 - 3 is one game off of .500, that's just what it is. Don't go full retard and say it isn't.

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In the Freeze vs. Mullen clashes we have been blown off the field 3 games and won 1 game that was actually tied at the end of regulation. That's not "going full retard". Its just as much fact as 1-3 is 1 game off of .500 is fact. Yea, lots of ways to slice it, OM blew us away last year with a Bo Wallace that could barely move.