Yall gotta clue me in on all the Cohen "hate"....

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I agree with you there, in reference to it being an effect pitch any time and being able to locate. Seams doesn't effect location. But if the guy is not a power arm and his sink is dependent on spin and/or arm slot then the lack of late sink movement, because of the lower seams, will effect them in two ways. When they miss its going to be up in the zone and with little to no late movement then it's almost BP pitch. Secondly, even with them making a good location pitch the difference of just 2" less down movement changes a mishit to a base hit and also eliminates a lot of chase pitches from them. They have to throw for a strike and it stays a strike instead of the batter chasing the ball dropping out of the zone. So they have to either recreate what they do with even more spin, which may not happen if they are topping out to max spin rate or more speed with their same amount spin that they previously had. Again, which is incredibly hard to do. They may get an additional speed bump but very hard to keep their previous spin without a considerable amount of retooling. And they may never get the spins back up when throwing at an increased speed. Or they learn totally different pitches and change their philosphy. Or learn to be knuckleballer. It's easy to say just adjust location but what made them effective in the first place is gone from them and very few would be able to adjust in just one year.

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This is more what I was thinking. Ross Mitchell went from one of the top pitchers in the SEC in the last decade to throwing BP. This happened almost completely across the board for our pitching staff. I just think we recruited to that specific advantage in pitchers and with the new ball the advantage basically went away. When people say Cohen stated it would take him at least 2 years to change the team this makes the most sense. Our offense isn't what kept us from making a Regional, it is our pitching staff.

I don't think we can compete for a title with our hitting but we should be comfortably in a Regional if our entire pitching staff didn't shit the bed. The only guys worth anything right now are the people that hasn't relied on all the movement.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

This is more what I was thinking. Ross Mitchell went from one of the top pitchers in the SEC in the last decade to throwing BP. This happened almost completely across the board for our pitching staff. I just think we recruited to that specific advantage in pitchers and with the new ball the advantage basically went away. When people say Cohen stated it would take him at least 2 years to change the team this makes the most sense. Our offense isn't what kept us from making a Regional, it is our pitching staff.

I don't think we can compete for a title with our hitting but we should be comfortably in a Regional if our entire pitching staff didn't shit the bed. The only guys worth anything right now are the people that hasn't relied on all the movement.

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Anytime you are relying on soft tossers that don't rack up at least 7K/9, you are setting yourself up to over-rely on balls not finding holes. Ross was destined to eventually drop off a cliff with his terrible K rate.

Mitchell in a sense is our Barry Zito. Not that he lost velocity but the flatter seams changed what he does and how effective he is. With Zito he lost velocity and command of his offspeed stuff which required him to use his fastball too much. Mitchell is it the loss of movement on his pitches but with each one you are looking at guys who are soft tossers that rely heavily on spin, movement and breaking stuff.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Mitchell in a sense is our Barry Zito. Not that he lost velocity but the flatter seams changed what he does and how effective he is. With Zito he lost velocity and command of his offspeed stuff which required him to use his fastball too much. Mitchell is it the loss of movement on his pitches but with each one you are looking at guys who are soft tossers that rely heavily on spin, movement and breaking stuff.

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I wish he had zito's K rates. Ha. Sub 4.5 K/9 rates is playing with fire. We should be thankful we got what we got out of Mitchell prior to this season.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

I wish he had zito's K rates. Ha. Sub 4.5 K/9 rates is playing with fire. We should be thankful we got what we got out of Mitchell prior to this season.

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As much as Ross pitched it wasn't just luck he was good.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

As much as Ross pitched it wasn't just luck he was good.

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Not saying he was bad, but he wasn't a sub-2.00 era guy like in 2013 or even a sub-3.00 era guy like 2014. Little more bad luck with seeing eye singles and bloop hits, and his era skyrockets. And given the sheer number of those balls he induced, the odds were against him continuing to have those balls hit at defenders.

So a question, are the lower seamed balls now in college equivalent to what is used in pro ball? What type of baseball is used in the pros? I assume the same ball is used from A ball and up.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Not saying he was bad, but he wasn't a sub-2.00 era guy like in 2013 or even a sub-3.00 era guy like 2014. Little more bad luck with seeing eye singles and bloop hits, and his era skyrockets. And given the sheer number of those balls he induced, the odds were against him continuing to have those balls hit at defenders.

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I think with the old ball he was similar to a knuckle baller. The new ball seems to have taken away his movement.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

So a question, are the lower seamed balls now in college equivalent to what is used in pro ball? What type of baseball is used in the pros? I assume the same ball is used from A ball and up.

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http://www.baseballamerica.com/colle...on-ball-seams/

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I think with the old ball he was similar to a knuckle baller. The new ball seems to have taken away his movement.

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He probably should have tried to convert to knuckleballs when they changed the seams.*

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Typically people say "well he hasn't forgotten how to coach from 2 years ago.." Unfortunately for us he has. The shit that goes on is ****ing retarded. He better get over himself and remember how to coach baseball because he damn sure isn't doing it.

Those that keep harping on we were just in a NC and it's just a down year must be missing the game after game after game after game of lineup shit, strategy shit, pitching shit, no balls shit, no first base coach shit, terrible base running shit, dugout antic shit, beard shit, shirts inside out shit, mingione shit, no leadership shit, and on and on and on shit.

Dare I say it's becoming stansburyesque with all the defending someone that isn't coaching or handling the team for shit. (And don't even start with saying this statement was dragging him into it because it wasn't so don't go down the road)

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