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03-02-2015, 09:09 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

You want a team full of JUCOs. It's ridiculous.

The number wouldn't be so high if we didn't suck and have so many players less than acceptable SEC talent wise. Sign better players and the positive turnover numbers come down. Win more games and the positive turnover comes down. When we win 20+ games I'm no longer asking for a 25% turnover rate every year. When we suck assholes the number is high. Ray could blindfold himself and walk into a college gym on a Saturday anywhere and pick four guys better than Ndoye, Daniels, Black and Dunlap. Of the 600 transfers last year in basketball I bet 400 of them are better than all four those names.
03-02-2015, 09:13 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We brag about the player development and redshirting of our football and baseball coaches- but want instant success from basketball. OK

Our football team would suck more than Vandy if they redshirted and attempted to develop the football equivalent of Ray's back of the bench players.
03-02-2015, 09:21 PM
MabenMaroon

All this talk about about how undersized shooting guards won't cut it, ... hmmm! ... can you say Stephon Moody?
03-02-2015, 09:26 PM
tcdog70

Basketball fortunes can change with a couple of talented players.If after a year a Coach realizes he has players that will not fit then a smart Coach will let them go and bring in some transfers of His own. We need a Moody. Ray just doesn't seem to have any kind of recruiting network. Transfers or JuCo players that other Coaches rely on are just not in His resume. That could be the reason we sux. There is absolutely no reason after 3 years that we have only one sorta decent point guard that almost every other teams point guard has a career game against.
03-02-2015, 09:26 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by MabenMaroon

All this talk about about how undersized shooting guards won't cut it, ... hmmm! ... can you say Stephon Moody?

Haha this is a great point.

As I've said from day one, any issues Ready has have little to do with his size. If his defense isn't great, it's not because he's too small. Same with his shot. Moody gets really high on his shot, which helps, but guys are rarely shooting with a guy literally in their face almost blocking their shot anyway.

I'm fine with Ray going after smaller point guards if they're talented enough. I believe Ready and Tookie are both talented enough.
03-02-2015, 09:29 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by MabenMaroon

All this talk about about how undersized shooting guards won't cut it, ... hmmm! ... can you say Stephon Moody?

He is strong, can create his own shot , doesn't turn the ball over and has a 40 in vertical. Who is our undersized guard that can do,this?
03-02-2015, 09:29 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Basketball fortunes can change with a couple of talented players.If after a year a Coach realizes he has players that will not fit then a smart Coach will let them go and bring in some transfers of His own. We need a Moody. Ray just doesn't seem to have any kind of recruiting network. Transfers or JuCo players that other Coaches rely on are just not in His resume. That could be the reason we sux. There is absolutely no reason after 3 years that we have only one sorta decent point guard that almost every other teams point guard has a career game against.

To some degree, sure. I'm not saying we shouldn't bring in any transfers. But Dawg61 has before, and is again, suggesting that we should kick multiple players off the team and replace them with either JUCOs, transfers, or kids from Sanderson. That's just insane.

Not to mention that any transfers will have to sit out a year, and we already know that any player you bring in who can't play immediately, thus leaving you with less than 13 scholarship players able to play at all times, is going to met with severe disapproval from him.
03-02-2015, 09:35 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

He is strong, can create his own shot , doesn't turn the ball over and has a 40 in vertical. Who is our undersized guard that can do,this?

I'd say tookie can create his own shot. He's scored over 3,000 in his career.
03-02-2015, 09:44 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

To some degree, sure. I'm not saying we shouldn't bring in any transfers. But Dawg61 has before, and is again, suggesting that we should kick multiple players off the team and replace them with either JUCOs, transfers, or kids from Sanderson. That's just insane.

Not to mention that any transfers will have to sit out a year, and we already know that any player you bring in who can't play immediately, thus leaving you with less than 13 scholarship players able to play at all times, is going to met with severe disapproval from him.

There's immediately ready D1 transfers all over the place. D2 and D3 also don't have to sit. Jucos don't have to sit. There's hundreds and hundreds of players ready to play each year. We need to be getting our share of them just like every single decent team in America is taking advantage of and getting RIGHT NOW.

Guess as of right now how many players I'm saying do this with next year? Zero. That can and most likely will change based on who shows they can't cut the mustard. Cohen cuts players left and right. Mullen too. Get of your ****ing high horse already. Basketball is the scumiest sport of all and you want Mother Teresa as head coach at MSU. We're gonna suck for a decade straight.
03-02-2015, 09:47 PM
MSUDawg4Life

While I would like to see more talent on the team, I'm not sure I'm wiling to stoop to bashing individual players.

These guys you all are dissing right now are still Dawgs and still deserve our support as long as they wear that uniform.

Just my opinion ....
03-02-2015, 10:02 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

There's immediately ready D1 transfers all over the place. D2 and D3 also don't have to sit. Jucos don't have to sit. There's hundreds and hundreds of players ready to play each year. We need to be getting our share of them just like every single decent team in America is taking advantage of and getting RIGHT NOW.

Guess as of right now how many players I'm saying do this with next year? Zero. That can and most likely will change based on who shows they can't cut the mustard. Cohen cuts players left and right. Mullen too. Get of your ****ing high horse already. Basketball is the scumiest sport of all and you want Mother Teresa as head coach at MSU. We're gonna suck for a decade straight.

Immediately ready d1 transfers all over the place??? Really? All over the place huh? Pipe dream man. I get it you don't like RR, and I'm ok w that. But your answers to fix the problem, such as this, are just not well thought out period.
03-02-2015, 10:03 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

There's immediately ready D1 transfers all over the place. D2 and D3 also don't have to sit. Jucos don't have to sit. There's hundreds and hundreds of players ready to play each year. We need to be getting our share of them just like every single decent team in America is taking advantage of and getting RIGHT NOW.

Guess as of right now how many players I'm saying do this with next year? Zero. That can and most likely will change based on who shows they can't cut the mustard. Cohen cuts players left and right. Mullen too. Get of your ****ing high horse already. Basketball is the scumiest sport of all and you want Mother Teresa as head coach at MSU. We're gonna suck for a decade straight.

I'm not suggesting we not cut multiple players and bring in several JUCO/transfer/D2 players because it isn't the 'right thing to do,' though we can have that discussion if you want. I'm suggesting not doing that because it's a terrible way to run a program.

If you're a big-time program with a big-time coach who can continue to bring in top players, you may be able to withstand that, at least for a while. But you're going to find it harder and harder to recruit basketball players for yourself by doing that. You won't find a single successful program anywhere that routinely cuts multiple players, especially guys they just recruited, to bring in a bunch of transfers.

And I see that no, you're not necessarily suggesting we get a bunch of JUCOs. You're suggesting we cut a freshman who had several other Power 5 offers (Oklahoma, Wichita State, Ole Miss) for D2 and D3 players. Awesome.
03-02-2015, 10:05 PM
Homedawg

Another factor you aren't taking into account is apr- doing it your way is a great way to get pounded by it.
03-02-2015, 10:32 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

I'm not suggesting we not cut multiple players and bring in several JUCO/transfer/D2 players because it isn't the 'right thing to do,' though we can have that discussion if you want. I'm suggesting not doing that because it's a terrible way to run a program.

If you're a big-time program with a big-time coach who can continue to bring in top players, you may be able to withstand that, at least for a while. But you're going to find it harder and harder to recruit basketball players for yourself by doing that. You won't find a single successful program anywhere that routinely cuts multiple players, especially guys they just recruited, to bring in a bunch of transfers.

And I see that no, you're not necessarily suggesting we get a bunch of JUCOs. You're suggesting we cut a freshman who had several other Power 5 offers (Oklahoma, Wichita State, Ole Miss) for D2 and D3 players. Awesome.

**** sakes man. We are HORRIBLE in basketball and we haven't had ONE SINGLE TRANSFER in the last three years. Not one single one. Name me another Power 5 team that can say that. WE ARENT PLAYING THE SAME GAME AS EVERYONE ELSE! We have to get transfers/jucos to survive!
03-02-2015, 10:33 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

**** sakes man. We are HORRIBLE in basketball and we haven't had ONE SINGLE TRANSFER in the last three years. Not one single one. Name me another Power 5 team that can say that. WE ARENT PLAYING THE SAME GAME AS EVERYONE ELSE! We have to get transfers/jucos to survive!

Daniels and zuppardo
03-02-2015, 10:41 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Daniels and zuppardo are JUCOs I said TRANSFERS

fify
03-02-2015, 10:45 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

fify

You said in your last sentence of post I responded to that we have to get transfers/jucos to survive
03-02-2015, 10:45 PM
TheRef

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

fify

No.....you said JUCOs/Transfers

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We have to get transfers/jucos to survive!
03-02-2015, 10:50 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by TheRef

No.....you said JUCOs/Transfers

Jesus. I'm not saying only get transfers. Im simply pointing out we are the only school anywhere that hasn't gotten one single one in the last three years. I'm getting off this argument now. Thanks.
03-02-2015, 10:54 PM
TheRef

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Jesus. I'm not saying only get transfers. Im simply pointing out we are the only school anywhere that hasn't gotten one single one in the last three years. I'm getting off this argument now. Thanks.

BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN TRANSFERS, FFS. You're saying we haven't gotten a JUCO or Transfer in 3 years, yet we've gotten JUCOs in the past three years. Christ....you literally cannot function right now, 61. Step away from the keyboard for a bit.

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