I just still dont understand the bitter Stands supporters

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Originally Posted by mcdawg

Absolutely. I cannot understand anyone still saying it was better to get rid of Stans. At the time since you didn't know the future, I can understand the argument. But "after seeing the future", I cannot understand anyone arguing it was the right decision. Our program would be in a better place - no question. The situation now is: men's basketball is irrelevant. Nobody goes to games and the Hump is dead - and it use to be so much fun and great to go. We get excited to beat a team that is 1-11 in the SEC. OM has passed us by, and they were never the better program with Stans here. I have paid my Bulldog dues and bought my 4 floor level tickets even though all my friends/relatives gave up. I have been to 3 games in 3 years and was bored to tears. Not one person has asked for my tickets. Plus, I have big State friends that don't even watch us on TV. I have watched one game on TV this year, and - again - was bored to tears. Coach - you asked for this and you continue to defend this crap. Have fun watching this team - you and a few others. And, you can buy my tickets and pay the dues next year, because I - along with many others - will not. (I do feel sorry for the guys who committed to our previous staff and have to live thru this.)

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Youve watched 1 game this year, huh? So in other words your opinion on our basketball team is strictly based on your feelings and nothing youve actually seen?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Youve watched 1 game this year, huh? So in other words your opinion on our basketball team is strictly based on your feelings and nothing youve actually seen?

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It is based on the losing record, the lack of star players, our boring offense, etc. I use to plan around our games and now I have no interest in doing that. And, a lot of others have decided the same thing by the crowds and lack of interest. I am not going to waste my valuable time on watching. (I am actually watching the women's team, and I know when they are playing. Couldn't tell you when the guys are playing. Did you see the State-UK women's game the other night? A whole lot more fun to watch than the men's team - plus each win/loss means something. Our men's team - a win or a loss means nothing. Give me that back and I may reconsider.)

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Originally Posted by mcdawg

OM has passed us by, and they were never the better program with Stans here.

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2006-2007...State- 21-14...8-8...Ole Missus- 21-13...8-8
2007-2008...State- 23-11...12-4..Ole Missus- 24-11...7-9
2008-2009... State- 23-13..9-7...Ole Missus- 16-15...7-9
2009-2010...State- 24-12...9-7...Ole Missus- 24-11...9-7
2010-2011...State- 17-13...9-7...Ole Missus- 20-14...7-9
2011-2012...State- 21-12...8-8...Ole Missus- 20-13...8-8

Stands vs Kennedy head to head seasons:

Stands- 129-75...55-41 in the SEC
Kennedy- 125-73...46-50 in the SEC

So- the 6 years Stands and Kennedy went H2H Stands won 4 more overall games and 9 more SEC games. Thats pretty close to even

All we had to do was get rid of Stans you said. You must be proud of what we have accomplished since you got your way.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

All we had to do was get rid of Stans you said. You must be proud of what we have accomplished since you got your way.

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I didnt say thats "all we had to do"...but there are things that have gotten better since he left

That was a direct quote from one night in Six Pack. What exactly in terms of wins and losses, the real bottom line, has got better?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That was a direct quote from one night in Six Pack. What exactly in terms of wins and losses, the real bottom line, has got better?

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please show me the quote??

The real bottom line is more than wins and losses.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I didnt say thats "all we had to do"...but there are things that have gotten better since he left

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Which things have gotten better? This is a shit show that you practically begged for and now you have it. At least be a man and admit that you were wrong.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

please show me the quote??

The real bottom line is more than wins and losses.

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It was something like "anybody would be better than Stans" and all we had to do to get better was get rid of him. If the bottom line isn't wins and losses what is it then? You got what you wanted. Are you happy now?

So was what coach said "a direct quote" -- or "something like"? And if it was "something like", why are you adding quotations to your own statement?

Coach said alot of outlandish stuff about Stans at times -- and I don't think even he would deny that -- but you still need to produce the source quote for the approach you took to arguing it.

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Originally Posted by engie

So was what coach said "a direct quote" -- or "something like"? And if it was "something like", why are you adding quotations to your own statement?

Coach said alot of outlandish stuff about Stans at times -- and I don't think even he would deny that -- but you still need to produce the source quote for the approach you took to arguing it.

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Are you a lawyer? That was what he said. NOW I MIGHT HAVE MISSED A PERIOD OR A COMMA OR SOMETHING. I'm not NewYorkOperaDog, I don't file away links for use 3 years later. I'm glad he is happy with what he got. I wish I was.

it's just a damned shame stans SO mis-evaluated sydney. it was his undoing. who knows what would have happened if he had just done the right thing and kicked sydney off the team after HI. no coach should EVER be that invested in one single player.

34 and others were just tired of no sweet 16's for so long then the sydney saga broke the camel's back.

hindsight's always 20/20 but it's looking very cutcliffesque at this point. we've definitely gone from a B+ to a D- team.

comparing the AU and UGA hires then seeing us pay 1M to Ray is a head scratcher. I miss being hated.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Are you a lawyer? That was what he said. NOW I MIGHT HAVE MISSED A PERIOD OR A COMMA OR SOMETHING. I'm not NewYorkOperaDog, I don't file away links for use 3 years later. I'm glad he is happy with what he got. I wish I was.

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I'm someone that recognizes incoherent/straw man arguments that are likely to devolve into psychobabble and more straw man arguments when challenged. Which you've now shown to be true multiple times in this thread. Now you are conveniently applying phantom positions to people that disagree with you. I'd ask you to link where Coach ever said "he is happy with what he got", but you've already proven that you'll call yourself "directly quoting" while unable to produce any evidence that the position ever existed in the first place. The reason, in this particular case, you can't produce that evidence -- is because it doesn't exist.

17 Rick Ray
17 Rick Stansbury
and 17 u Coach34 for continuing to bring this Shit up.

Stansbury did have to go. Rick Ray didn't have to be hired, but he was and now our program is even worse for it. Stans had to go cause the inmates ran the asylum. Ray has to go cause he can't coach for Crap.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nobody likes losing. Nobody is happy about the state of the program currently. We have traded constant drama and embarrassment around the program for losing on the court and falling to the bottom of the SEC. It sux.

But how anybody can claim Stands needed another year is beyond me. I dont get it. The team full of Sword, Fred, Ware, Wendell Lewis, and Jalen Steele was going to be a shitty one no matter who coached it. But besides that:

I cant fathom how anybody can try to justify giving Stands another year after Renardo Sidney. Think about this and the lack of control our HC had- we had to leave Sidney behind to stay here in the States when our team went to Europe to bond and play in the Fall. Why did we have to leave him behind you ask? Because we were terrified he would be drug tested by the NCAA on the trip- as teams are subject to be. How can you be so powerless as a HC to allow that to stay on your team? The embarrassment of the stories of Sidney going to "workout" with John Lucas??? Moultrie being suspended for failing multiple drug tests. You dont get a 3 game suspension for one failed test ya know. If you cant see that a change HAD TO BE MADE after all that- I just dont know what to tell you. Getting rid of Sidney wasnt going to make it get better- Sidney didnt make the other guys do drugs. Ray had to kick 2 others off for multiple failed tests once he got the job. It wasnt going to get any better under Stands.

Lastly- before you bash Stricklin again- think about that. He just got rid of a coach that had let things get so bad- nobody on the damn team could pass a drug test. He had just had a HC come to him and explain he was leaving one of his starting basketball players behind on the Europe trip because he was too much of a drug risk. But that he was still going to keep him on the team. So when Strick was having to make another hire- you can bet all this played a part in his decision-making.

Ray may not be the answer- but we made the correct decision in making the coaching change. We dont have the drama surrounding our program anymore and that is tremendous improvement. We just have to get more talented players on campus- whomever can do that and coach them.

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The bottom line is this. Rick had let the program get so bad that Scott was getting turned down by multiple mid major head coaches, and he knew nothing would change if he had done what some alumni/former players wanted and hired Kenny Payne. Rick Ray essentially took a job he was likely never going to be able to win with. The coach that succeeded Rick Stansbury was doomed to fail due to the mess he was inheriting, unless the administration is patient and gives them 5-6 years like Baylor did with Scott Drew.

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

17 Rick Ray
17 Rick Stansbury
and 17 u Coach34 for continuing to bring this Shit up.

Stansbury did have to go. Rick Ray didn't have to be hired, but he was and now our program is even worse for it. Stans had to go cause the inmates ran the asylum. Ray has to go cause he can't coach for Crap.

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You know, I can actually agree with this. It's a rare MSU fan who can admit both things are true. Most think one or the other should have or should stick around.

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Originally Posted by engie

I'm someone that recognizes incoherent/straw man arguments that are likely to devolve into psychobabble and more straw man arguments when challenged. Which you've now shown to be true multiple times in this thread. Now you are conveniently applying phantom positions to people that disagree with you. I'd ask you to link where Coach ever said "he is happy with what he got", but you've already proven that you'll call yourself "directly quoting" while unable to produce any evidence that the position ever existed in the first place. The reason, in this particular case, you can't produce that evidence -- is because it doesn't exist.

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Believe what makes you happy man. I bet you DO file away links for use years later. Good for you, lol. Bottom line: Men's basketball is way worse now than when we fired Stans by the only objective measure that matters, wins and losses. It's actually hilarious watching some of y'all trying to dance around that highly inconvenient fact.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

2006-2007...State- 21-14...8-8...Ole Missus- 21-13...8-8
2007-2008...State- 23-11...12-4..Ole Missus- 24-11...7-9
2008-2009... State- 23-13..9-7...Ole Missus- 16-15...7-9
2009-2010...State- 24-12...9-7...Ole Missus- 24-11...9-7
2010-2011...State- 17-13...9-7...Ole Missus- 20-14...7-9
2011-2012...State- 21-12...8-8...Ole Missus- 20-13...8-8

Stands vs Kennedy head to head seasons:

Stands- 129-75...55-41 in the SEC
Kennedy- 125-73...46-50 in the SEC

So- the 6 years Stands and Kennedy went H2H Stands won 4 more overall games and 9 more SEC games. Thats pretty close to even

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You left off the head-to-head record, and the overall record of Stans entire tenure versus OM. Add that and let's debate some more.

Its sad to say, but I was a lot more excited about Ole Miss losing last night, than I was about us winning yesterday. Ole Miss losing cost them, our winning did nothing for us. This is from a person whose week was affected by our wins and losses in the past.

Its not just about wins and losses, its about perception, And my perception is when we hit absolute rock bottom, maybe Stricklin will do something.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Its sad to say, but I was a lot more excited about Ole Miss losing last night, than I was about us winning yesterday. Ole Miss losing cost them, our winning did nothing for us. This is from a person whose week was affected by our wins and losses in the past.

Its not just about wins and losses, its about perception, And my perception is when we hit absolute rock bottom, maybe Stricklin will do something.

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Sorry, but that OM loss didn't hurt them that much. They're still in the tourney.

Seems this Thursday you're in a real pickle. Do you detest ray or Om more? OM loses to us and they're on the outside looking in. We win and ray has another quality win this year to get to .500 and 6-7 in the sec