Kiffin ran cover 2 We were a man defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
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Kiffin ran cover 2 We were a man defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Let's think logically here. I'm pretty sure that if we hire Orgeron, we are going to let Turner go and then hire a LB coach.
We haven't hired anybody yet- so there's no reason to let Turner go, and there's no reason to tell him that he will be gone at this point. What happens if we told Turner that we were going to hire Orgeron and then Coach O for some reason goes to Nebraska?
Now, I'm sure Turner has heard rumors and probably suspects that he is about to be let go, but if you ask him to his face like Paul or Rosebowl or whoever asked him if he is going to be back, as long as he has a functioning brain, he kind of has to say yes. Because if he says no, then Dan is going to expect a resignation one way or the other- and if we don't hire Coach O, then Turner would have pretty much hung himself at MSU.
And we need Turner for the bowl game.
Todd gets it. We're not just going to throw O in there as DC and LB coach. Mullen isn't dumb. And even if we did...we could do much worse. Everybody chill, hiring O as DC is nowhere NEAR as terrible and dramatic as some of you act....but it's not as sure fire home run as others think. The truth lies in the middle, and we likely will have other hires that come with O if we do hire him. Mullen will put him in position to succeed, and give him the help he needs.
Say what?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Exactly Todd.
And I'm great with that. Which I why I feel like there has to be more than meets the eye....
anyone who has a problem with this, yar yar yar.
The defense will play lights out for this guy. His players love him. I'll take that.
He did not call that much at USC and the DL calls he made were under someone else's system. Monte then Pendergast made the calls. That's been discussed before. How much scheming he did at UM I'm not certain on, but I do know that defense got significantly worse each year even with NFL talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Damn I love Coach O, I just wish he had more on his resume than HC/DL/RC. No doubt he was damn good at 2 of the 3. I'm still holding out for Shannon..
This is what people like me and Engie are trying to say. I don't think he would be a bad DC as long as he is in control of the DL. Would I prefer him as DC to a few others? No. I think Clark/Durkin/Shannon are better hires for the DC spot. But if Orgeron is our DC, Turner is let go, and we bring in an LB coach, I'm 100% ok with that and think we can be very successful there. But in order to do this, we HAVE to be willing to put up the money to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
That's the other part of this is. I think Mullen is not signing his contract because he is negotiating the money necessary to bring in the people he wants for us to be successful. It's going to take money for us to elevate ourselves and Mullen has known that from day 1. This to me is the unknown piece of the puzzle. Are we willing to take a big leap and pay a DC one million? Are we willing to bump assistant pay up in the 300-400K range? Mullen is going to fight for that because it's another piece of our image we are trying to rebrand that we are a destination, not a stepping stone. The Collins move has magnified that fact even moreso.
Then don't bring up Ray and there won't be a hijack.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Way to be a jerk. There was all of 1 reply before you decided to bring it up again TWO PAGES LATER.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
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Ricky Ray for DC.***
There's only 1 other OM coach ever that I can think of that I'd ever want on our staff, and he's not leaving Duke.
Womack (Ole Miss DC, I don't know how to spell his naem) sux as a coach but his defense is good because of the talent level. Coach O will get that kind of talent.
he also won't be afraid to put his top 11 on the field regardless of class. Sr's won't play ahead of JR's and Sophomores just because they're a year older.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Yeah I should have just let it go....but why bring it up in the first place? And then reply to my reply? But I should have just let it go and not tempted you...Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Rick Ray runs a version of "Football on Hardwood", or at least the injuries lead me to believe that.
Womack has 25 years as a defensive coordinator all over major college football. Nothing at all like Orgeron. Wommack is FAR more comparable to Joe Lee Dunn than to Orgeron. Elite schemer -- not a recruiter. And let's not pretend his first couple of defenses there had elite talent. He started a bunch of Nutt freshmen and knocked our dicks in the dirt his first year on the job...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I guess that's why no one comes for him to coach for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Engie, I'm completely with you on this, but you are t going to win this battle. People are thinking Crootin and not schemes.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Joe Lee Wommack**Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert