Ross Mitchell

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

he isnt. Since I brought it up a few weeks ago and took a ton of shit, I believe he is about 1 for 16 with RISP since then. He also only gets hits when it doesnt count. Why does he hit solo HRs in the 9th down 6 or up 4 all the time? Maybe it is a coincidence. He has had PLENTY of opportunity to prove me wrong the past month and hasnt. Without frazier, we get swept by OM and lose 2 of 3 to USC. Frazier is our leader.

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Wow, what a short term memory you have. You seem to forget the first 2/3's of the season when Frazier was struggling but Hunter was mashing. I know you have a problem with WJ, but saying stuff like "he only gets hits when it doesn't count", is just dumb as shit.

I think you are letting your current frustration with Renfroe cloud your judgement on how good he has been this season. You can't ignore what he's done for us the previous 45 games just because he has struggled in the last 11

that isnt it. I brought it up 2 weeks ago and since then, people have been paying attention to it. Basically, it is something I noticed all year long. When I brought it to light, it has been a constant on the board since. Renfroe has been the same all year.

We dont really have anyone clutch. Frazier is our best, as of late. Bottom line, not just past 2 weeks, when game is on line, RISP with the game within a run or 2, renfroe has been shit. It isnt a 2 week phenomenom.

Edit - Do you think randomly, 2 weeks ago, I decided to just pick on our best player and say he wasnt clutch? Guy leading SEC in hrs and BA and slugging? No. It was something I noticed (by watching every single game we have played and not reading stat sheets) and when I brought it to light, people have been paying attention to it. That is it and all. Hunter is our best player. Period. He isnt a guy I want up there with the game on the line though.

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

that isnt it. I brought it up 2 weeks ago and since then, people have been paying attention to it. Basically, it is something I noticed all year long. When I brought it to light, it has been a constant on the board since. Renfroe has been the same all year.

We dont really have anyone clutch. Frazier is our best, as of late. Bottom line, not just past 2 weeks, when game is on line, RISP with the game within a run or 2, renfroe has been shit. It isnt a 2 week phenomenom.

Edit - Do you think randomly, 2 weeks ago, I decided to just pick on our best player and say he wasnt clutch? Guy leading SEC in hrs and BA and slugging? No. It was something I noticed (by watching every single game we have played and not reading stat sheets) and when I brought it to light, people have been paying attention to it. That is it and all. Hunter is our best player. Period. He isnt a guy I want up there with the game on the line though.

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Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back....msstate7, WJ, and myself had had the same conversation about Hunter in a game thread before you ever brought it up.

And secondly, You're wrong about him not being clutch ALL Year. We would have been in trouble without Hunter. Basically, you have gone full tard because WJ has made you so mad. If you think Hunter has been the same all year as he has lately, then you havent paid attention.

And another thing.....We ALL watch all of the games so quit acting like you watch more baseball than anybody that reads the board.

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

that isnt it. I brought it up 2 weeks ago and since then, people have been paying attention to it. Basically, it is something I noticed all year long. When I brought it to light, it has been a constant on the board since. Renfroe has been the same all year.

We dont really have anyone clutch. Frazier is our best, as of late. Bottom line, not just past 2 weeks, when game is on line, RISP with the game within a run or 2, renfroe has been shit. It isnt a 2 week phenomenom.

Edit - Do you think randomly, 2 weeks ago, I decided to just pick on our best player and say he wasnt clutch? Guy leading SEC in hrs and BA and slugging? No. It was something I noticed (by watching every single game we have played and not reading stat sheets) and when I brought it to light, people have been paying attention to it. That is it and all. Hunter is our best player. Period. He isnt a guy I want up there with the game on the line though.

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By the way, explain how Renfroe could be "shit" all year with RISP, yet he leads the team in RBI's? How does that happen if you're "shit"

Id imagine that if what I said was wrong, WJ would have a chart by now. It has been 2 weeks? Me pat myself on the back? Please.

Put up some sort of chart that with RISP and the game within 1 run or 2 runs or whatever, who is our best hitter. If Im wrong, Ill gladly admit it. However, I have watched, EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR. All I am saying is when it counts, Hunter hasnt been clutch. I brought it up 2 weeks ago and it has spun out of control a little. Hunter is still our best player, no doubt.

Again, I'm not saying he's been great with RISP...but "shit"? Think about how stupid that sounds when talking about our RBI leader.

GODDAMIT. DROP THE RISP.

That isnt what I have ever said. I admitted that he leads the team in HR and RISP and all that shit. Im just saying, when it matters, he isnt there. Like, he is clutch when we are creaming someone or down 5 runs or when nobody is on and down 6. When it is a 1 run game and RISP, he has shit the bed all year. Again, he can go 9-10 while we are up or down 5 with RISP and then go 1-10 like he has the past weekend (when it is close and matters. 1 run/2 run game with RISP) and his avg is still great. That doesnt make him clutch.

Maybe WJ can come up with a clutch formula.

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

Id imagine that if what I said was wrong, WJ would have a chart by now. It has been 2 weeks? Me pat myself on the back? Please.

Put up some sort of chart that with RISP and the game within 1 run or 2 runs or whatever, who is our best hitter. If Im wrong, Ill gladly admit it. However, I have watched, EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR. All I am saying is when it counts, Hunter hasnt been clutch. I brought it up 2 weeks ago and it has spun out of control a little. Hunter is still our best player, no doubt.

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Again....we've all watched EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR, so quit using that like it means something

And again...You're WRONG by saying "all year". Thats my issue, and Im right

Why don't you provide us with Renfroes numbers after the 7th inning in 3 runs or less margin games. We here at ED like to have arguments backed up with facts.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And again...You're WRONG by saying "all year". Thats my issue, and Im right

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where is your chart saying Im wrong? Ill gladly admit it if I am.

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Originally Posted by Will James

Why don't you provide us with Renfroes numbers after the 7th inning in 3 runs or less margin games. We here at ED like to have arguments backed up with facts.

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He doesn't need stats or facts because HE WATCHED EVERY SINGLE GAME!

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

GODDAMIT. DROP THE RISP.

That isnt what I have ever said. I admitted that he leads the team in HR and RISP and all that shit. Im just saying, when it matters, he isnt there. Like, he is clutch when we are creaming someone or down 5 runs or when nobody is on and down 6. When it is a 1 run game and RISP, he has shit the bed all year. Again, he can go 9-10 while we are up or down 5 with RISP and then go 1-10 like he has the past weekend (when it is close and matters. 1 run/2 run game with RISP) and his avg is still great. That doesnt make him clutch.

Maybe WJ can come up with a clutch formula.

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The thing about Hunter is while he has obviously produced, none of his hits are particularly memorable. I don't think you can measure memorable with a stat because that is something that is in the eye of the beholder and is totally subjective. Sort of like Steve Gendron had a lot of hits, but I honestly don't remember any of them.

Are David Freese, Kirk Gibson, and Carlton Fisk the most clutch players in MLB history? Probably not statistically if you analyze it, but they did things in the clutch that were memorable in big moments.

As far as Hunter, I think a lot of people remember him coming up with the bases loaded against LSU when we were tied and striking out and then going on to lose the game, and now in crunch time he is struggling in general.

Adam Frazier on the other hand had a GREAT at bat in the Governor's Cup that drove in the eventual winning runs despite just missing getting a hit twice in a row. A lot of our fans were there and remember that. Also, again recently against Ole Miss, he had the game winning hit to complete a huge comeback from being down 6-0 and then this weekend he again had the go ahead hit against South Carolina that helped complete a big comeback win.

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Originally Posted by Will James

Why don't you provide us with Renfroes numbers after the 7th inning in 3 runs or less margin games. We here at ED like to have arguments backed up with facts.

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Im not a chart guy. Why dont YOU do it. You have a chart for our leadoff hitter drinking a diet coke on a tuesday, Im sure you can find time. Why stop it at 7 innings? Why not all innings? Put your chart together. If Im wrong, I will GLADLY admit it.

I have cadaver and now youre just being a little bitch. WJ mfin Chart james would have charted it if I was wrong....he charts every GD stat there is. why not this one?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And again...You're WRONG by saying "all year". Thats my issue, and Im right

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you know what, this is stupid. I'll actually take the time to put together the numbers tomorrow or tuesday. What is the criteria. RISP with the game within 1 run? 2 runs? Tying run (renfroe) at the plate? What is the criteria?

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

Im not a chart guy. Why dont YOU do it. You have a chart for our leadoff hitter drinking a diet coke on a tuesday, Im sure you can find time. Why stop it at 7 innings? Why not all innings? Put your chart together. If Im wrong, I will GLADLY admit it.

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Its your point not mine. Its not up to me to prove you wrong. You find the info backing up YOUR argument or me and Cadaver will continue to laugh at your opinion of not wanting Renfroe to hit in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Will James

Its your point not mine. Its not up to me to prove you wrong. You find the info backing up YOUR argument or me and Cadaver will continue to laugh at your opinion of not wanting Renfroe to hit in that situation.

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ok. Let me know the criteria.

And I will continue to watch Renfroe Strike out with the game on the line, like he has all season. Hey, but if he goes 6 for 6 with RISP versus MVSU and his average is .375, it doesnt matter, right?

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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar

I have cadaver and now youre just being a little bitch. WJ mfin Chart james would have charted it if I was wrong....he charts every GD stat there is. why not this one?

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Ennis, personal attacks are a sign of defeat, and name calling is both childish AND against the ED rules as a bannable offense.

Quit being so damn sensitive. If you wouldn't use words like "all year", "never", and "always", your points could be taken seriously. One thing about facts and stats....they take emotion like yours out of the equation

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Ennis, personal attacks are a sign of defeat, and name calling is both childish AND against the ED rules as a bannable offense.

Quit being so damn sensitive. If you wouldn't use words like "all year", "never", and "always", your points could be taken seriously. One thing about facts and stats....they take emotion like yours out of the equation

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fair enough, I wont be banned. I will chart it tomorrow. It will be a slow day. All I have to do is pack for HOover.

So what is the criteria? I like the 1 or 2 run situation with RISP.......but Ill gladly take whatever you guys say.