In the ideal situation, with the younger guys progressing as we hope, a Fitts/Lindgren combo would be replaced with a Fitts/Mitchell piggyback. But we probably won't get lucky enough to allow Ross back in the pen. We can hope, though.
In the ideal situation, with the younger guys progressing as we hope, a Fitts/Lindgren combo would be replaced with a Fitts/Mitchell piggyback. But we probably won't get lucky enough to allow Ross back in the pen. We can hope, though.
We SHOULD. If Tatum or Sexton are going to start for us, we need to get it going sooner than later. It's as simple as Butch and Cohen saying Ross is moving to the pen and sticking with it, thus forcing someone to step up. Ross can throw long innings of relief, so even if one of those guys can do like Fitts and get through the order a time or 2, we will have Ross to mop up. That's why I wish Ross, Fitts, AND Laster would go to the pen as piggy backs on the 3 youngsters as starters at the beginning of the year. It will give them great experience, needed starts, and also the comfort in having veterans behind them with long inning experience in case we struggle early in games. Just a thought, but I feel like something has got to be done to break this cycle of piggy backs and us develop some true starters for down the road. This would be the "safe" way to develop them IMO. It will never happen, but I like to think it would be a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
For me, I think it should be Fitts/Laster, Hudson and Tatum with Ross backing up Hudson and Myles Gentry backing up Tatum. I like Ross in the bullpen personally, but I think the staff likes Ross as a starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
With my groups, you really wouldn't have to have Hudson and Tatum go more than 4-5, which should take some pressure off of them. I like the idea of going from Hudson's 95 to Ross's 82, and then with Tatum and Gentry, by starting Tatum the other team is going to probably try to load up on RH hitters, which is a good match-up for him.
I think Cohen and Butch's philosophy on the piggy backing is pretty much if you are Chris Stratton dominant, we'll let you go deep- or even Kendall Graveman or Ross Mitchell, but if not we're not going to ask a guy to do something that isn't as advantageous to us. One thing I have heard Cohen say is that they feel that the batting order has a big advantage the third time through.
Last thing I heard was Paul Young and John Marc Shelly were ahead of schedule and Will Cox was on schedule. Preston didn't have surgery, but using my medical opinion, he probably should. The rumor is he was told to get surgery and he decided that he didn't want to do it. That's why I'm not expecting much from him next year, even though he's a good pitcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He's doing well. The best of the group of sophomores next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
He is 1-2 with 18K's in 14 IP and 6 BB's, and his ERA is 3.21, but the game before that, his ERA was 1.80.
Personally, if given the choice between the two, I start Laster and put Ross back in the pen. To me, Ross's ultimate value was/is getting us out of the big inning 2-3 times per weekend. Although he gave us a bunch of quality starts, we lost that to an extent without him. Lindgren was great most of the time -- but never had the consistency of Ross and would quite often fail to stop the bleeding in the big inning before settling in. I think Laster can eat up Ross's starter innings allowing him back into what I see as his better role.
Time one of the young 3 stepped up. I think Tatum will -- yet to be seen on the other 2.
Thats just incorrect. Ross was good at logging innings in relief but it was a proven statistical fact that he allowed a higher percentage of inherited runners to score than his peers last year. He was not as valuable in getting us out of jams. This is due to low K numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Ehhhh I think you are exactly backwards here. Lindgren would often get those K's and limit damage where Ross would allow the run to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries
Mitchell is an outstanding guy to start or bring out of the pen- but not a good "get out of jams" guy. His strength as a RP was coming in the game in say the 4th inning- and then finishing it for us and saving the pen.
Your data set is hugely incomplete and inconclusive. I'll fix it when I get back to my laptop.
While Mitchell was less likely to get k's, he was more likely to get gdps. You also fail to account for the location of the runners inherited, which is every bit as important as the number of outs inherited.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
That was quoted from last year. Please don't sell that Ross is better getting out of jams than Lindgren. It's silly. If you want to try to so a WPA analysis be my guest. It's common sense that myself and Coach are right on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
That's not what I heardQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yes you ****ing moron. It's difficult to forget something you learned and actually did many years ago. Knowing something for years has no impact on my time priorities now. That's like me calling you out for telling people how to ride bikes, even though you haven't had one for years. Just because you don't read about it or perform it currently doesn't mean you don't know how it's supposed to be done properly.
My bad for being an engineering manager, responsible for a large sum of market share and people working under me. I know proper mechanics, approach, and how to call pitches. Just because you and others can't, doesn't mean it can't be done. Maybe it is really rare, because our players don't know how to do it and coaches don't teach it. What exactly have I said incorrect about our hitting? Why do other teams have players with proper swings and approache? Why are those other players with proper mechanics and swings, more productive at the plate than we are? Tell me where I've been incorrect. Until then, you can go f*ck yourself.
One small thing.....
He's GOOD as a starter, but OUTSTANDING only out of the pen. IMO. Stats bear that out. He often had some rocky 1st/2nd innings as a starter.
Yeeeeeah, this probably is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Yea, well joke's on you bud. Nice try though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Basically everything you've said is incorrect about our hitting to the point of absurdity. We were a top 20 hitting team in the country last year -- yet you think you are better at it than our coaches -- while preaching a homerun approach for singles hitters. For an "Engineering Manager" -- you sure don't know how to apply engineering principles to your opinion. Nor do you have the common sense to realize that you aren't a better hitting coach or pitching coach that what we currently have at MSU. That puts you in an exclusive class of idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg