Any thoughts on the Michael Sam Kiss on ESPN...

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Originally Posted by Martianlander

Excellent post. I will only add I thought Jeff Fisher's comparison with a gay draftee and drafting the first African American was totally out of line. A person's skin color is something you are born with, and being gay is a choice.

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Originally Posted by Martianlander

Excellent post. I will only add I thought Jeff Fisher's comparison with a gay draftee and drafting the first African American was totally out of line. A person's skin color is something you are born with, and being gay is a choice.

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When did you choose to be straight? I know I didn't choose to like chicks, it just naturally happened.

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Originally Posted by Martianlander

Excellent post. I will only add I thought Jeff Fisher's comparison with a gay draftee and drafting the first African American was totally out of line. A person's skin color is something you are born with, and being gay is a choice.

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And que the new argument ha

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Originally Posted by M.Fillmore

So you think it is okay for a school to disallow a child to bring a Bible to school and privately read the Bible during "free reading period" when kids can bring a book of their choice?

So you think it is okay for a school to say that the Bible cannot be quoted in a speech when other great works of Western Civilization are not excluded?

So you think it is okay for the Air Force academy to disallow a Bible verse on a cadet's personal whiteboard space where they are given "free space" to write of their personal interests?

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If like to see a link to a credible news source. I see shit like this on my FB feed all the time, and 90% of the time it's fake.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

The problem is the sheer number of sins in the bible that Christians don't harp on all the time, yet go out of their way to point out the sinful nature of homosexuality to justify their bigoted beliefs. Do you treat divorced couples the same way? What about those that have pre-marital sex? What about adulterers? What about all the other sins in the bible that aren't consider a huge deal in modern society? It's hypocrisy to pick one sin to justify your bigoted views while ignoring others. The bible was used to justify slavery and segregation once upon a time too.

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Christians DO harp on those sins. That's where you go wrong. I suppose now you're going to accuse Christians of judging people who commit those sins. You'll be wrong again. Christians commit the same sins that non-Christians do. The difference is that Christians attempt to stay away from that. But we all sin, dude.

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Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice

I thought we were talking about all those people in our country that don't have the right to marry who they choose.

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Ha, ha, prepare to be destroyed. Married in the eyes of whom? The church who condemns it? Or the State? Oh, why would you want to be 'married' if it's not a religious union? Oh, I know. DIVISION OF THE ASSETS.

Money. While you and other libs are out there championing this gay agenda about poor gay people having rights, all those gay people want is the green paper.

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Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice

What? You think this debate is about your "right to be annoyed"? I thought we were talking about all those people in our country that don't have the right to marry who they choose.

Is this what Christians consider "persecution"? An imaginary agenda against their "right to be annoyed"?

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So are you okay with Polygamy?
Why can't one person be in love more than one other person?
What about a man marrying another man and another woman at the same time?
When the government got in the marriage business, it opened Pandora's Box.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Christians DO harp on those sins. That's where you go wrong. I suppose now you're going to accuse Christians of judging people who commit those sins. You'll be wrong again. Christians commit the same sins that non-Christians do. The difference is that Christians attempt to stay away from that. But we all sin, dude.

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But where are the laws and campaigns that are trying to outlaw or limit the rights of the people committing these sins? I'm not saying those sins aren't preached about, I'm saying that outside of the church, Christians aren't out fighting to make divorce illegal or limit the rights of divorcees to remarry whoever they want. That's the hypocrisy. It's the selective imposing of sins on the state outside the church.

Im fine with polygamy. Why would you be against it?

I dont care how many people a man marries or how many men/women he chooses. Has nothing to do with you and doesnt effect you. As long as all parties agree, who the hell cares?

Polygomy has been around since man first walked. It is in our dna, as well as all animals.

Yall want to talk "unnatural", unnatural is marriage to one person forever. It goes against everything in our dna.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

So are you okay with Polygamy?
Why can't one person be in love more than one other person?
What about a man marrying another man and another woman at the same time?
When the government got in the marriage business, it opened Pandora's Box.

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I'm ok with polygamy if that's your thing, so long as it doesn't lead to folks leeching off the govt by marrying lots of women and pumping out dozens of kids. And obviously there's need to be tax implications and social security and stuff that would need to be ironed out. But purely from a freedom to do as you please, I'm absolutely fine with polygamy, even if it's being married to a man and a woman.

That's about as far as the Pandora's box goes though since I think consenting adults making a choice is the barrier. (Just preemptively cutting off the "a man can marry his fish" argument here)

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Ha, ha, prepare to be destroyed. Married in the eyes of whom? The church who condemns it? Or the State? Oh, why would you want to be 'married' if it's not a religious union? Oh, I know. DIVISION OF THE ASSETS.

Money. While you and other libs are out there championing this gay agenda about poor gay people having rights, all those gay people want is the green paper.

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Why shouldn't they get the same tax and inheritance benefits? Why shouldn't they get visitation rights? Why shouldn't they get every marriage benefit a straight couple gets? Of course money plays, why wouldn't it?

The guy is gay..ok I get it's a big deal that he is the first openly gay draft pick..but what I didn't care for was the all the kissing and cake being shoved in the face nonsense...also Saturday holly Rowe was at a gay bar in New York..why?? Why do all of that? Some people accept it and some people don't...I don't like the fact that they were constantly bringing the guy up, when let's face it, he's not going to be a good pro..

If they could put holly Rowe at a gay bar, then why couldn't they have Erin Andrews at a strip club anticipating the selection of Johnny Manziel?? I'll tell you why, and it's probably one of the most misunderstood rules regarding television...they can't show nipples on TV...it's total bullshit. Once people realize that nipples are just part of the human anatomy, then we as human beings can finally move on

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Money. While you and other libs are out there championing this gay agenda about poor gay people having rights, all those gay people want is the green paper.

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You can't really believe that's the only reason gay people want the right to marry?

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Originally Posted by dawgs

If like to see a link to a credible news source. I see shit like this on my FB feed all the time, and 90% of the time it's fake.

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I'm wrapping up my lunch break and I have to get back to work so I'm not going the Google these things for you.

The first item was in the news last week. The article I read had a link to the voice mail the teacher left of the parent's phone saying the Bible is prohibited material.

The second item is a few months old. It was a regular news story.

The Air Force Academy has been in the news a lot over the issue I referenced. I have seen several new articles on this one.

These things are not "Facebook" articles. They are real issues.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

But where are the laws and campaigns that are trying to outlaw or limit the rights of the people committing these sins? I'm not saying those sins aren't preached about, I'm saying that outside of the church, Christians aren't out fighting to make divorce illegal or limit the rights of divorcees to remarry whoever they want. That's the hypocrisy. It's the selective imposing of sins on the state outside the church.

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Marriage is a religious institution, so if it involves a church, there is no 'right'. Your battle is with whether or not the STATE recognizes marriage, for division of assets, ie, can two gays go to the courthouse and get a marriage license. Christians in a church have no power over that, but they do have power over who gets married in their church, and that's the way it is. Either way, I know if I had my way divorce would be much tougher to obtain. That's the price of living in a free society.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Ha, ha, prepare to be destroyed. Married in the eyes of whom? The church who condemns it? Or the State? Oh, why would you want to be 'married' if it's not a religious union? Oh, I know. DIVISION OF THE ASSETS.

Money. While you and other libs are out there championing this gay agenda about poor gay people having rights, all those gay people want is the green paper.

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Goat, word to the wise: writing "prepare to be destroyed" before your post does nothing but make you look like a toolbag.

But, out of courtesy, I did prepare myself for destruction... And was very disappointed when all I got was a small stream of strange, off-topic drivel.

Yes, they want to be married in the eyes of the state. One of the reasons is to be afforded the same tax/financial rights as straight couples. What is your point? Are these not worthy causes?

I've seen you make this argument elsewhere... And trust me, there is a reason it hasn't gained any traction outside of your own head(s).

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Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice

What? You think this debate is about your "right to be annoyed"? I thought we were talking about all those people in our country that don't have the right to marry who they choose.

Is this what Christians consider "persecution"? An imaginary agenda against their "right to be annoyed"?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not this thread about the kiss on national TV, what people thought of it, and the perception that the gay lifestyle is perhaps being inappropriately promoted by the media? When did it morph into homosexual legal rights?

Read my other post dawgs. They should. But this has NOTHING to do with Christians.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

When did you choose to be straight? I know I didn't choose to like chicks, it just naturally happened.

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So would you say it was in your DNA to be straight? If it just naturally happened then it HAS to be genetic. So if twins were born that were identical, i.e. genetically the exact same, both would have to be gay.

Problem is jarron Collins likes women while his identical twin Jason prefers men. Someone made a choice here...