Yep, like they "fixed" the Hump. Place doesn't have half the atmosphere it used to have. And that applied even before the program went to crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
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Yep, like they "fixed" the Hump. Place doesn't have half the atmosphere it used to have. And that applied even before the program went to crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
DNF is a poor experience for anyone that isn't in the grandstand or LFL. This is simply a fight between those who got a long term sweetheart deal in the chairbacks and the LFL folks not caring if anyone else enjoys the experience. These folks are aware that if a new stadium is built then their monopoly is over. We need a new facility so that everyone can enjoy the game and our team as opposed to just a few.
Bryant denny is one of the nicest stadiums in the country. Probably the nicest behind new a&mQuote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Neyland is a dump
Why are we having this discussion?
The grandstand is outdated. It could be better- and we are going to make it better.
Scott knows the LFL is special and does everyone associated with MSU. They are going to do everything to make sure it stays special but update it.
In my years of watching baseball and seeing stadiums come and go I have yet to see one instance where they built a new stadium and it was considered worse than the one before it.
Part of the problem is all our fans are seeing is Dudy-Noble Field as it is. I think if we had a renovated/new Dudy-Noble Field to compare to the current one where people could see what is exactly going to happen, I think people would see how silly they are being.
I look at it like baseball stadiums -- you know -- the thing they actually compare to. Feel free to delve into the minors if you see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
MLB Stadiums and their open dates.
Angel Stadium of Anaheim 1966
AT&T Park 2000
Busch Stadium 2006
Chase Field 1998
Citi Field 2009
Citizens Bank Park 2004
Comerica Park 2000
Coors Field 1995
Dodger Stadium 1962
Fenway Park 1912
Globe Life Park in Arlington 1994
Great American Ball Park 2003
Kauffman Stadium 1973
Marlins Park 2012
Miller Park 2001
Minute Maid Park 2000
Nationals Park 2008
O.Co. Coliseum 1966
Oriole Park at Camden Yards 1992
Petco Park 2004
PNC Park 2001
Progressive Field 1994
Rogers Centre 1989
Safeco Field 1999
Target Field 2010
Tropicana Field 1990
Turner Field 1996
U.S. Cellular Field 1991
Wrigley Field 1914
Yankee Stadium 2009
Giants and Braves reopening new stadiums in 2017.
There are only 6 stadiums in all of MLB that are older than Dudy Noble Field.
Angel Stadium - Built in 66. $100mil renovation in 1998.
Dodger Stadium - Built in 62. $100mil in current renovations ongoing. Janet Marie Smith
Fenway Park - Built in 12. $285mil in renovations over the past 10 years. Janet Marie Smith
Kauffman Stadium - Built in 73. $250mil in renovations in 2009.
O.Co. Coliseum - Built in 66. Mild renovations over time -- In search of a new Stadium.
Wrigley Field - Built in 14. $500mil in renovations ongoing.
So, basically everyone in baseball has either spent about as much money as building brand new -- or built brand new -- sans the Athletics in their shithole -- since we built an unmodified Dudy Noble Field...
Like Dudy Noble would never be the same -- But it's seemed awfully similar these last two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Just win. The people will come and the atmosphere will self-correct. Hate to tell people -- but more changes are coming to the Hump too. We're leaving too much money on the table with the current configuration...
I don't understand it either. People act like we will ruin the atmosphere of the left field lounge if we build a new stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Here is reality. The rigs are pulled up to the decking behind the wall. It takes two things to make this happen.
1. Decking
2. Ground
We ****ing have both of those. How hard is it to recreate that in our brand new stadium? You provide empty space and a deck. Hell, they might even flatten it out a little better and provide pavement for those who have trouble backing up.
Either way, the same rigs will be there with the same people standing on the same deck and pulling up on the same ground. The grandstand is the problem and we can start over without ruining your deck and your ground.
Yep. The only thing DNF and TP have in common is a baseball diamond that is 90' square inside them. TP is as nice of a facility as you will watch a game in. Set TP down on the site where Polk-Dement is situated and we are in business. That is exactly what I want to see. Or some semblance thereof. Obviously it would not fit exactly but you see what I mean. 7500 nice chair back seats, wide open concourse, good outfield area. Perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I don't think anyone is scared of a new grandstand or new bleachers. Everyone's just hoping the LFL "improvement" is actually that... an improvement.
Scott isn't going to screw up LFL... He fully knows the magnitude of any decisions he makes out there...
I agree it's going to be fine. But some will argue w your definition of screw up. Because in some eyes if the old rigs don't stay as it is today then it's a screw up. And if that's a screw up, well, one's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
The 'specialness' of LFL is an emergent, cultural thing. It wasn't planned or designed. If you could simply copy it, tons of teams would. We could redo basically everything in the stadium and leave LFL the same, and it's not a guarantee that LFL would be the same. I'm not saying I'm against a new stadium. I'm not informed enough to know. But I understand people worried about the LFL. I think it could easily be screwed up while 'fixing' it. It's just hard to know why it's so special. Again, if you could simply copy the structures and put good fans there and recreate it, it wouldn't be so special because there'd be a lot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
That said, I'd be very confident in the state grad that I think designed Camden yards, Autozone Park, and did the conversion of the Atlanta olympioc stadium. Can't remember her name, and I may be giving her credit for the wrong stadiums, but I remember her portfolio being damned impressive when I looked at it over ten years ago and the only two stadiums I had been to that she did I thought were great.
I'm specifically talking about hoping they don't screw up the atmosphere of LFL by tinkering with it too much. They DID kill the atmosphere in the Hump with the reseating a few years ago. Its never been the same. Now as far as the chairbacks and the bleachers do whatever you want. The chairbacks are NEVER filled and the bleachers are crap. Even over SBW the chairbacks weren't filled. In fact, the lifetime chairback contracts are THE #1 reason to demolish PDS and build a new grandstand. The bleachers were just a makeshift thing brought in after the stadium was built to accommodate more folks years ago. Certainly no foresight in "sightlines" are anything else related to the "bleacher experience".Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I actually said there need to be some changes for safety and accessibility issues and said that they should add to the atmosphere out there by adding more general seating/box options.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
If Scott doesn't improve the LFL, we'll probably end up with an improvement at AD. Scott knows that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
A lot of people kind of doubt him over the Rick Ray hire- but if he can make Dudy-Noble into something awesome I think he will win some people over.
"ding, ding, we have a winner"Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This guy gets it. Let's do what we need to do but put the brakes on "full steam ahead" for a whole new stadium. Really, I do more or less have faith that there not gonna mess it with any more than they have to. I'm just expressing concern about the idea. It doesn't need to become "change for the sake of change," which is NEVER a good reason for change. An idea is planted and like tributaries flowing into a river it grows and grows and takes on a life of it's on and sooner rather than later it becomes "progress" and questions that need to be asked don't get asked because the parties involved got too busy wondering if they could make it happen. Then the thrill of "something new" or of "creation" takes over and project goes ahead full force and yet, was never truly thought out from all angles. I'm not saying that's where it seems to be headed. I just wanna make sure it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
There have been needs at DN for years, even while Coach Polk was here. No one is making change for change sake. They aren't making changes at all. This has been an extremely deliberate process.
As long as you can grill and drink in the OF- LFL will be "special"